FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[wasper68]

Here is some info that I plucked from another forum regarding possible VHSL infractions for the link I pasted about HSC:

People have asked, so read it and interpret it for yourself.
27-2-1 COACHES RULE-All coaches and sponsors of League activities, both athletic
and nonathletic, shall be certified teachers regularly employed by the school board and
responsible to the school principal. They shall have not less than three regular periods of
classes or study hall duty per day.
Note: Interscholastic competition for girls and boys should be coached or directly
supervised by a woman or man, respectively, who is responsible to the school principal.
If a man coaches girls on a mixed team or coaches a girls team, it is strongly
recommended that a female supervisor be present at all games and practices. If
a woman coaches boys on a mixed team or coaches a boys team, it is strongly
recommended that a male supervisor be present at all games and practices.

Interpretation:
27-2-3 Interpretations:
(1) This rule bars special coaches or sponsors of an activity who are not employed
to serve in any other capacity or who are employed during the season in the activity only,
unless they are exempted under 27-2-2 (4) of this rule. It is not intended to bar assistants
for whose services no recompense is given, either directly or indirectly, from any source,
provided that such services are rendered only at practice sessions under the supervision of
a regular faculty member.

[hasanova]

Nice car! 

8-track?  or just AM band radio as original equipment?

Thank you, Ralph.  It's a 1968 Chevy II Nova with a 307 ci and a factory Saginaw 4-speed.  I bought it in 1969 for $1600 when it had about 20,000 miles on the odometer, so it's been with me a long time.  In its history, it did have an after-market 8-track installed for a few years, but I recently installed a "retro" AM/FM.  I keep all old parts I take off, so I still have the original AM in a box.  The 307 is the original V8, but I just had it rebuilt with a new cam, oil pump, alternator, etc.  I took off the factory 2-barrel Rochester and put on an Edelbrock 650 4-barrel and electronic ignition.  I also replaced the radiator with a high performance model from Summit.  The interior and trunk have been redone and the entire undercarriage and engine compartment have been coated and finished.  Many years ago, I also removed the original 1 3/4" Y-fork single exhaust and replaced it with a stainless steel 2" dual exhaust.  Of course, the wheels and tires aren't original, but I still have the factory rims in storage and I installed high-performance springs, shocks and suspension several years ago.  In many ways, it's better than it was when it left the factory.  I wouldn't be at all afraid to drive it across country.

[wasper68]

I've run into several people who've asked me about my moniker, "hasanova".  Well, here's your answer:

Sweet ride!!!!

[jknezek]

hasa -- I know the joy of that kind of work. I pulled a 1976 GMC motorhome from a swamp in FL a few years ago while living there. My wife and I have been rebuilding, redoing, and restoring her while also using her as much as possible over the last 4 years. Nothing like working on a real piece of American metal. I'll do a lot of things on my motorhome, both light and heavy mechanical plus the living systems, that I wouldn't touch on a modern car. We drove up to W&L from Birmingham last year in the GMC for my 10th reunion. Drove up through the Smokies and took a few days in each direction.

While we won't use her much this year, since my wife just gave birth to our twins Saturday, that gives me a year to work out some more of the kinks. She wasn't in good shape when I got her, but she runs pretty good now and I keep plowing through my punch list!

[Ralph Turner]

Nice car! 

8-track?  or just AM band radio as original equipment?

Thank you, Ralph.  It's a 1968 Chevy II Nova with a 307 ci and a factory Saginaw 4-speed.  I bought it in 1969 for $1600 when it had about 20,000 miles on the odometer, so it's been with me a long time.  In its history, it did have an after-market 8-track installed for a few years, but I recently installed a "retro" AM/FM.  I keep all old parts I take off, so I still have the original AM in a box.  The 307 is the original V8, but I just had it rebuilt with a new cam, oil pump, alternator, etc.  I took off the factory 2-barrel Rochester and put on an Edelbrock 650 4-barrel and electronic ignition.  I also replaced the radiator with a high performance model from Summit.  The interior and trunk have been redone and the entire undercarriage and engine compartment have been coated and finished.  Many years ago, I also removed the original 1 3/4" Y-fork single exhaust and replaced it with a stainless steel 2" dual exhaust.  Of course, the wheels and tires aren't original, but I still have the factory rims in storage and I installed high-performance springs, shocks and suspension several years ago.  In many ways, it's better than it was when it left the factory.  I wouldn't be at all afraid to drive it across country.

Thanks. 

The good thing about dating in those days is that your girlfriend could slide all the away across the front bench seat and sit next to you...

run her fingers thru your hair...
nibble on your earlobes...
rest her head on your shoulder...     

something was lost with bucket seats and consoles. 

[hasanova]

hasa -- I know the joy of that kind of work. I pulled a 1976 GMC motorhome from a swamp in FL a few years ago while living there. My wife and I have been rebuilding, redoing, and restoring her while also using her as much as possible over the last 4 years. Nothing like working on a real piece of American metal. I'll do a lot of things on my motorhome, both light and heavy mechanical plus the living systems, that I wouldn't touch on a modern car. We drove up to W&L from Birmingham last year in the GMC for my 10th reunion. Drove up through the Smokies and took a few days in each direction.

While we won't use her much this year, since my wife just gave birth to our twins Saturday, that gives me a year to work out some more of the kinks. She wasn't in good shape when I got her, but she runs pretty good now and I keep plowing through my punch list!

Thanks ... and you are so right, there's not much that mystifies me when I look under the hood of the '68.  The term "shade tree mechanic" does apply.    It's been a labor of love for 42 years.

Congratulations on the twins ... your life will never be the same ... and all in a positive way. 

Hopefully, I'll get a peek at the GMC motorhome some day.  The work you do yourself, you enjoy the most!

[hasanova]

I've run into several people who've asked me about my moniker, "hasanova".  Well, here's your answer:

Sweet ride!!!!

Thanks, wasper68.  It's been fun and does attract some attention.  It's a big part of who I am for sure.

[hasanova]

Nice car! 

8-track?  or just AM band radio as original equipment?

Thank you, Ralph.  It's a 1968 Chevy II Nova with a 307 ci and a factory Saginaw 4-speed.  I bought it in 1969 for $1600 when it had about 20,000 miles on the odometer, so it's been with me a long time.  In its history, it did have an after-market 8-track installed for a few years, but I recently installed a "retro" AM/FM.  I keep all old parts I take off, so I still have the original AM in a box.  The 307 is the original V8, but I just had it rebuilt with a new cam, oil pump, alternator, etc.  I took off the factory 2-barrel Rochester and put on an Edelbrock 650 4-barrel and electronic ignition.  I also replaced the radiator with a high performance model from Summit.  The interior and trunk have been redone and the entire undercarriage and engine compartment have been coated and finished.  Many years ago, I also removed the original 1 3/4" Y-fork single exhaust and replaced it with a stainless steel 2" dual exhaust.  Of course, the wheels and tires aren't original, but I still have the factory rims in storage and I installed high-performance springs, shocks and suspension several years ago.  In many ways, it's better than it was when it left the factory.  I wouldn't be at all afraid to drive it across country.

Thanks. 

The good thing about dating in those days is that your girlfriend could slide all the away across the front bench seat and sit next to you...

run her fingers thru your hair...
nibble on your earlobes...
rest her head on your shoulder...     

something was lost with bucket seats and consoles.

You're welcome.  It does, indeed, have a bench seat and a floor-mounted 4-speed.  In the late 60's, you could order a car in almost any configuration you wanted.  Sounds as though you had a car with a bench seat ...

[Ralph Turner]

Nice car! 

8-track?  or just AM band radio as original equipment?

Thank you, Ralph.  It's a 1968 Chevy II Nova with a 307 ci and a factory Saginaw 4-speed.  I bought it in 1969 for $1600 when it had about 20,000 miles on the odometer, so it's been with me a long time.  In its history, it did have an after-market 8-track installed for a few years, but I recently installed a "retro" AM/FM.  I keep all old parts I take off, so I still have the original AM in a box.  The 307 is the original V8, but I just had it rebuilt with a new cam, oil pump, alternator, etc.  I took off the factory 2-barrel Rochester and put on an Edelbrock 650 4-barrel and electronic ignition.  I also replaced the radiator with a high performance model from Summit.  The interior and trunk have been redone and the entire undercarriage and engine compartment have been coated and finished.  Many years ago, I also removed the original 1 3/4" Y-fork single exhaust and replaced it with a stainless steel 2" dual exhaust.  Of course, the wheels and tires aren't original, but I still have the factory rims in storage and I installed high-performance springs, shocks and suspension several years ago.  In many ways, it's better than it was when it left the factory.  I wouldn't be at all afraid to drive it across country.

Thanks. 

The good thing about dating in those days is that your girlfriend could slide all the away across the front bench seat and sit next to you...

run her fingers thru your hair...
nibble on your earlobes...
rest her head on your shoulder...     

something was lost with bucket seats and consoles.

You're welcome.  It does, indeed, have a bench seat and a floor-mounted 4-speed.  In the late 60's, you could order a car in almost any configuration you wanted.  Sounds as though you had a car with a bench seat ...

I don't have a smiley that reflects how broad my smile is ... with that memory.

(The car that her daddy bought his little girll had buckets and a console. I only drove that car once. )

[78rmc]

As to the Favret situation, I don't know the rules (VHSL or NCAA) and I don't know Favret, but why would any smart coach put himself in a questionable situation like this?  He was clearly there (no one seems to argue that), and on the surface it doesn't look good.  Regardless of the rules, it seems to be bad form.  I know the HSC guys will defend it with 'He meant no harm', 'He's an honest guy', or 'No harm, no foul', but often, impressions are reality. 

[HSCTiger74]

As to the Favret situation, I don't know the rules (VHSL or NCAA) and I don't know Favret, but why would any smart coach put himself in a questionable situation like this?  He was clearly there (no one seems to argue that), and on the surface it doesn't look good.  Regardless of the rules, it seems to be bad form.  I know the HSC guys will defend it with 'He meant no harm', 'He's an honest guy', or 'No harm, no foul', but often, impressions are reality.

Speaking for myself only, there's at least one H-SC guy who thinks it stinks like old fish. Even if everything was aboveboard and there was no intent to gain any recruiting advantage he was still somewhere he wasn't supposed to be, doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing. Both the VHSL and NCAA rules seem pretty clearcut, and if anyone is to be expected to know and abide by them a head coach would seem to be at the top of the list. Quite a few D1 programs have been penalized for a lot less than what Favret did.

[78rmc]

As to the Favret situation, I don't know the rules (VHSL or NCAA) and I don't know Favret, but why would any smart coach put himself in a questionable situation like this?  He was clearly there (no one seems to argue that), and on the surface it doesn't look good.  Regardless of the rules, it seems to be bad form.  I know the HSC guys will defend it with 'He meant no harm', 'He's an honest guy', or 'No harm, no foul', but often, impressions are reality.

Speaking for myself only, there's at least one H-SC guy who thinks it stinks like old fish. Even if everything was aboveboard and there was no intent to gain any recruiting advantage he was still somewhere he wasn't supposed to be, doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing. Both the VHSL and NCAA rules seem pretty clearcut, and if anyone is to be expected to know and abide by them a head coach would seem to be at the top of the list. Quite a few D1 programs have been penalized for a lot less than what Favret did.

You're a stand-up guy, karma for you!

[jknezek]

I will say this about the situation... it's really not having much of an effect on who attends H-SC lately. You look at these 2 lines from the article:

Kidd said Tuesday that Favret has become such a familiar presence around Brookville's program that the school did not consider it to be a potential problem with the VHSL.

"It wasn't anything out of the ordinary for us," Kidd said. "In hindsight, if I'd have known it would be a big deal, we wouldn't have let him out there. If he'd have known it was going to be a big deal, he never would have come out."

and you'd think that H-SC would have more than a couple kids from Brookville currently on the roster if Favret is around that much. However, looking at the 2011 roster shows only Holton Walker, a 6-2 Freshman receiver, from Brookville.

What I find most interesting is that Brookville played Cave Spring, who also has a total of 1 player on the H-SC 2011 roster, 5-11 sophomore linebacker Corey Reese.

I know lots of college coaches attend h.s. games for scouting of players and possible assistant coaches, though I've never seen one down on the sidelines or in the coach's box during a game. It will be interesting to see what comes of this, but I'm thinking it will be nothing but a warning to Favret.

To be honest, that is probably all that is warranted unless there is specific information about Coach Favret actively recruiting during the game. While it is somewhat of an unfair recruiting advantage for him to be there, I have no doubt that all coaches in the ODAC have high schools that, through one connection or another, provide a strong pipeline for appropriate players to contact or be contacted for recruiting purposes.

This might go slightly beyond that, and certainly could violate the letter of the NCAA rule regarding recruiting contact, but do you really think those kids playing for their playoff lives are going to be paying that much attention to one more cheerleader on the sideline? As for the overall level of cosiness between Favret and Brookville's staff... most h.s. coaches attend camps with college coaches or have mentor/mentee type relationships. That seems to me to be primarily what happens here. A bit of a mentor situation that both sides allowed to get a little out of hand and publicly exposed.

We'll see, but it's not like you are going to take scholarships away from H-SC!

[78rmc]

I'm not necessarily advocating some kind of punishment for Favret, but at the same time, just because he's reaped no obvious recruiting benefit doesn't make it right either.

Maybe HSC should forfeit any past Favret wins against the men from Ashland, now that would sting (pun intended). 

[jknezek]

Oh I agree that end results aren't always the most important measure of an action. I was just surprised given the tone of the article and the H.S. coach admitting Favret is around quite a bit that there weren't more players from Brookville on H-SC.

I also agree that the whole thing looks bad, but I tend to believe that it was probably innocent stupidity rather than devious cheating that led to the whole thing. That was the point I was trying to make. And I still have problems deciding how you would appropriately punish someone for breaking the rules. I guess you could suspend Favret from recruiting for a year or prevent him from coaching a couple games.

Either way, I have a feeling the whole thing will be more embarrassing for Coach Favret once the H-SC AD is done talking it over with him than anything else. And I tend to believe that if he was just there being overly supportive of a mentor/mentee type relationship, that should probably be the extent of it.

If he was doing more and actively recruiting, however, that would be a different story. I just don't believe that will be the true story.