FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[narch]

I don't think there is one D3 school in Va/Nc that field a JV team.

methodist has a jv program, but unfortunately, they don't play as many games as they'd like...a few years ago guilford, for example, cancelled a few days before a scheduled jv game because their jv roster had dwindled - mu has played the ncsu and unc club teams (they aren't the most reliable options, either), along with some post-grad prep programs - i know mu coaches think there is value in having a jv program that is run right, but unless other schools in the area have similar thoughts, it is tough to do - last year MU did play 3 jv games against PG prep programs

How many JV teams do they have?

i could be wrong but i think they have a freshman team and a jv team and the varsity

edit: the umu website lists just a jv team with a 9 game jv schedule

[D3MAFAN]

Back in the day HSC played a JV schedule. Schedule included Ferrum JV, Fork Union Post Grad, James Madison JV and that was it. Don't know when and/or why the JV schedule was removed from the program but I'm certain $$$$ had something to do with it.

I'm thinking $$$ in one form or another is usually the answer to these questions. While football may not be crazy expensive on a "per athlete" basis, it is the most expensive in terms of lump sum paid. I think the 2004-2011 study the NCAA did showed at the DIII level football cost more than twice as much as the next closest sport (ice hockey followed closely by basketball). I don't even want to remember how lopsided the total coaches' salaries column looked. A JV team simply adds to that overall expense, especially in the fixed cost area of coaches' salaries. I suppose it varies for each school how much they want to focus on each sport and the relative benefits they receive from that focus.

None of which diminishes the advantages of having a JV program, in any sport, which should be considerable. If a school wants to have a JV program in football, basketball, soccer, or skiing, more power to them. It must serve their institutional goals and I can think of more than a few ways that could happen. If a school forgoes a JV program, good for them. I can think of more than a few ways extra money can be spent on a campus both inside and outside an athletic department.
It all goes back to the overriding guidelines of DIII, which are extremely inclusive. You can pretty much spend money however you want in DIII so long as you aren't offering athletic scholarships or paying players. It's up to each school what division of resources is most advantageous to them...
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Could possibly go to the travel budget.

[hasanova]

Drove to DC on Monday and, among other things, saw the Atlanta Braves win their 11th straight (now 13) versus the Washington Nationals at Nationals Park.  Go Braves!

Also, on this trip, I took the Ashland exit off I-95 and toured through Randolph-Macon.  This was my second visit (the first was to see Guilford play men's basketball versus the Yellow Jackets during a blizzard in January 2010), so really my first visit in good weather.  Took a look at Day Field and drove around the campus.  Very nice, indeed.  RMC has a lot of which to be proud.  Jackets visit Greensboro this fall, so maybe I can make it there for a game in 2014.

[abnrgr]

another surgery another absence. I hope everyone has been safe and practicing well except for the dreaded Hank Norton acolytes. 

I was walking down memory lane when I heard that Phillipino accent yell "Grampa say you TDY not PCS. Yo numba 10. you pay now. You too beau coup. I lubs you Tum. The I woke up to the ceiling fan:

"sheet....New Hampshire....still in New Hampshire while Charley is squatting in the jungle getting stronger"

[hasanova]

another surgery another absence. I hope everyone has been safe and practicing well except for the dreaded Hank Norton acolytes. 

I was walking down memory lane when I heard that Phillipino accent yell "Grampa say you TDY not PCS. Yo numba 10. you pay now. You too beau coup. I lubs you Tum. The I woke up to the ceiling fan:

"sheet....New Hampshire....still in New Hampshire while Charley is squatting in the jungle getting stronger"

There's probably a Francis Ford Coppola movie in here somewhere.

[hasanova]

While the ODAC football favorites anticipate their impending victories on the gridiron, I'd like to announce the Quakers have begun construction of the Jack Jensen Golf Center.  The next two NCAA DIII golf finals will be hosted by Guilford in Greensboro.  Hey, you have to take solace where you can.  Fore! 

[jknezek]

While the ODAC football favorites anticipate their impending victories on the gridiron, I'd like to announce the Quakers have begun construction of the Jack Jensen Golf Center.  The next two NCAA DIII golf finals will be hosted by Guilford in Greensboro.  Hey, you have to take solace where you can.  Fore! 

That's great. Having a state of the art facility in a minor sport can often lead to better things. W&L's ridiculous indoor tennis center has helped both the men's and women's teams be annual contenders and even the women being national champs. It's much easier, and cheaper, to build state of the art and have success in the fringe sports than the bigger ones. W&L's golf team is mediocre and I attribute that directly to having a "home" course at a local club instead of an on campus facility. While the Generals don't really need a campus course, nor would it be an efficient use of resources, it would certainly bolster a program that has the demographics of being a very good golf program, instead of a mediocre one.

[umhb2001]

While the ODAC football favorites anticipate their impending victories on the gridiron, I'd like to announce the Quakers have begun construction of the Jack Jensen Golf Center.  The next two NCAA DIII golf finals will be hosted by Guilford in Greensboro.  Hey, you have to take solace where you can.  Fore! 

That's great. Having a state of the art facility in a minor sport can often lead to better things. W&L's ridiculous indoor tennis center has helped both the men's and women's teams be annual contenders and even the women being national champs. It's much easier, and cheaper, to build state of the art and have success in the fringe sports than the bigger ones. W&L's golf team is mediocre and I attribute that directly to having a "home" course at a local club instead of an on campus facility. While the Generals don't really need a campus course, nor would it be an efficient use of resources, it would certainly bolster a program that has the demographics of being a very good golf program, instead of a mediocre one.

The UMHB ladies just won the national championship. Lots of fun!

[hasanova]

While the ODAC football favorites anticipate their impending victories on the gridiron, I'd like to announce the Quakers have begun construction of the Jack Jensen Golf Center.  The next two NCAA DIII golf finals will be hosted by Guilford in Greensboro.  Hey, you have to take solace where you can.  Fore! 

That's great. Having a state of the art facility in a minor sport can often lead to better things. W&L's ridiculous indoor tennis center has helped both the men's and women's teams be annual contenders and even the women being national champs. It's much easier, and cheaper, to build state of the art and have success in the fringe sports than the bigger ones. W&L's golf team is mediocre and I attribute that directly to having a "home" course at a local club instead of an on campus facility. While the Generals don't really need a campus course, nor would it be an efficient use of resources, it would certainly bolster a program that has the demographics of being a very good golf program, instead of a mediocre one.

To clarify, Guilford also uses a local course (The Cardinal) as its home course and the 2014 and 2015 DIII finals will be at Grandover, twin courses adjacent to the ACC Headquarters.  The Golf Center is an on-campus state-of-the art practice facility for the Quakers who are a perennial power in the ODAC and on the national scene.

In addition to numerous appearances in the Finals, Guilford's the NAIA Champ in 1989 and NCAA Champ in 2002 and 2005, so this facility can only help us stay competitive.

[tigerfanalso]

What kind of facility needs to be build to have an ODAC football team compete regional & nationally ?

[jknezek]

What kind of facility needs to be build to have an ODAC football team compete regional & nationally ?

Facilities aren't the ODAC's main problem. At least not from what has been posted over the years regarding updates and upgrades. The ODAC champion simply needs to get bigger, stronger, and faster... All that being said, I stand by the comments I have made several times. The ODAC  champion, most years, will compete quite well with the 4 and lower seed in whatever bracket they have ended up in. The key is facing the 4 and lower seed, not the 1-3. In order to do that, the ODAC champion needs to be one loss or better. Given there are, maybe, 3 playoff quality OOC opponents spread amongst the ODAC (F&M, JHU, CNU), and no ODAC team plays more than 1 quality OOC with many playing no playoff caliber OOC teams, it's mainly a matter of getting through the ODAC schedule undefeated.

Given the expected parity, that will be a tough task.

[tigerfanalso]

Jk

I think we have agreed on this point before and still do. Bigger, stronger, faster on both sides of the ball is certainly would help. Not certain if that happens in my life time however !!!!

[hasanova]

http://www.guilford.edu/blog/2013/08/14/max-carter-helps-zooey-deschanel-explore-past/

Holy Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon!  I'm one person removed from knowing Zooey Deschanel!

[HSCTiger74]

http://www.guilford.edu/blog/2013/08/14/max-carter-helps-zooey-deschanel-explore-past/

Holy Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon!  I'm one person removed from knowing Zooey Deschanel!

It will sound odd I guess, but when I was watching that show and the Guilford prof came on, my first thought was "I wonder if Hasanova knows him"?   
  As an aside, I find it interesting that when they send these celebrities to colleges and libraries the experts always seem to be from somewhere else, e.g. the Guilford prof in Philly, the prof from Butler at Swarthmore.

[hasanova]

http://www.guilford.edu/blog/2013/08/14/max-carter-helps-zooey-deschanel-explore-past/

Holy Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon!  I'm one person removed from knowing Zooey Deschanel!

It will sound odd I guess, but when I was watching that show and the Guilford prof came on, my first thought was "I wonder if Hasanova knows him"?   
  As an aside, I find it interesting that when they send these celebrities to colleges and libraries the experts always seem to be from somewhere else, e.g. the Guilford prof in Philly, the prof from Butler at Swarthmore.

Max Carter is a pretty cool guy - and his trademark is definitely the beard.  He attends a lot of Guilford athletic events, especially basketball ... and rides his bicycle to get there.