FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[HSCTiger fan]

...i haven't seen anyone who has said nance was anything other than an outstanding d3 qb and one of the best in the odac - Narch

Ok your right. No one has said that. So to help you feel better here goes: 

Nash Nance is a great college football player that would start for most D1, D2, NAIA, and D3 teams including EVERY ODAC team except WL.  But even there he'd come in the 4 times a game they throw the football.

Instead of trying to find fault, Nash should be applauded. He wanted to start at QB and play football. Maybe that was not in the cards for him at UT.  He chose education over football.

He cannot and should not have to defend his playing ability or his decision on where he chose to play.  We are happy he chose HSC but not just because of his abilities at QB (which are awesome) but also because of what a great teammate and leader he is (which is even more awesome).  There are 8 starting QBs in the ODAC.  If the other 7 provide the leadership and commitment to team that Nash provides they are all winners.

I see it all the time on this board that D3 guys play for the love of the game.  Maybe it's different at Methodist where your team consistently recruits 100+ freshmen and only has 10-12 seniors.

testy much?? I don't like the mu roster model any more than you do, but I don't see how the mu roster is in any way germane to the conversation at hand...perhaps it makes you feel better about yourself and your school to belittle the way other schools operate, but I think it makes you seem pompous

I don't recall finding fault with nance...in fact I've said numerous times that he was an outstanding d3 qb (feel free to read my previous posts) - apparently pointing out reality  (he isnt an sec qb) equates to finding fault in your book - I think you're delusional if you think he could start for most d1 programs, though...17 int in 13 d3 games isn't a d1 starter at most d1 programs - I'm not sure he would start for every team in the odac...boden is better than him on paper in my opinion - I wouldn't expect nance to defend his play or his decision...in fact I commend his decision, but I can tell you sight unseen that he wouldn't start for any sec school

This is not a conversation. This is a message board. Every word you've written on this subject was meant for the purpose of finding fault with Nance.  In my pompous opinion, which is every bit as valid as yours, you don't know jack. You call me delusional but yet you make comments based on a player YOU'VE EVER SEEN.  I doubt spending your time commenting on message boards makes you much of an expert on anything. Can you even name 4 starting QBs in the SEC?

I'm fine being called pompous and delusional.  You can call me whatever you want, but full disclosure we've never met.  You seem to have lots of opinions about people you've never seen in person. Your characterization of me is closer to reality than your admittedly baseless and uneducated view of the QB at HSC.

[narch]

This is not a conversation.

per webster's dictionary

con·ver·sa·tion noun \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\
: an informal talk involving two people or a small group of people : the act of talking in an informal way
: something that is similar to a spoken conversation

i'd say this is a conversation based on that definition

Every word you've written on this subject was meant for the purpose of finding fault with Nance.  In my pompous opinion, which is every bit as valid as yours, you don't know jack. You call me delusional but yet you make comments based on a player YOU'VE EVER SEEN.  I doubt spending your time commenting on message boards makes you much of an expert on anything.

if you want to take this so personal that you take me saying that nance is not a starting qb in the sec as finding fault, you are entitled to your opinion...it's fact (he has never appeared in an sec contest), but i guess you are going to perceive this fact however you want

understand this...there is a very small handful of qb's in the country that are good enough to help any sec team...maybe a dozen or so guys - if i'm finding fault with nance by saying he isn't a starting sec qb, then i'm finding fault with A LOT of other qb's in the nation - this doesn't mean he's anything other than a very good d3 player though

Can you even name 4 starting QBs in the SEC?

i know this is a rhetorical question, but i can name at least 4 whose last name starts with the letter 'M'- 1 won the heisman last year, 1 has qb'd the last 2 national championships, 1 will likely be one of the first 3 qb's taken in the nfl draft when he comes out and the other has a howitzer arm but has struggled a bit with consistency and accuracy...that makes 4, right

I'm fine being called pompous and delusional.  You can call me whatever you want, but full disclosure we've never met.

to be fair, i shouldn't have called YOU pompous and delusional...i apologize for that...i did, however, find your REMARKS to be both pompous and delusional

[HSCTiger fan]

A minimum of 4 SEC coaches thought he was good enough to be offered a scholarship. He chose to leave UT. He was not kicked off the team or asked to leave. But since you, who admittedly has NEVER seen him play, says he's not good enough then I guess your 100% baseless opinion is what I'll have to go with. Thanks for educating Me.

[Pat Coleman]

Perhaps you might want to take another couple hours to chill out. Yes, Vandy offered him (maybe others did too, don't care), and then Tennessee offered him primarily to get their hands on his wide receiver classmate, but if he didn't start a game in the SEC it's pretty clear, not an opinion, that he was not an SEC starting quarterback.

[HSCTiger fan]

Never debated that, Pat. I do however debate the ability of anyone to judge/evaluate the talents of any player "sight unseen". The fact he never started as a red shirt freshman is NOT an evidence of his ability.

You say chill out and I feel like Rod Tidwell when he told Jerry Maguire "See, that's the difference between us.  You think we're fighting, and I think we're finally talking."

As always with regards to your efforts on covering D3 sports - THANK YOU!

[jknezek]

Both W&L and Catholic get it done with room to spare. A good close to the silly season and it's on to the real meat and potato ODAC schedule.

At a glance, the conference went 17-7 for the non-conf and no team is without a win. The conference didn't really get a signature win, however. See the conference breakdown below.

USASC
9-4

CC
2-1

PAC
2-0

ECFC
1-1

SAA
1-1

UAA
1-0

NEFC
1-0

[jknezek]

We're going tailgating at a Birmingham Southern game this weekend in our old motor home. I went yesterday after work to the store to get tailgating supplies. Brought home chips, dip, soda, american cheese, bacon,  hotdogs and bratwurst. My wife asked what the bacon was for and I told her I was going to wrap some hotdogs and bratwurst with it while I cooked them before laying on some cheese. I've been threatening this for years, and she looked at me in disbelief before calling State Farm to up the life insurance on me.

Here's to a good weekend with good games and no injuries!

Sounds great.  Let us know how it turns out.

The game wasn't much, you can read some thoughts in the AFCA forum if you want. The bacon wrapped brats and hotdogs were awesome. All grillable meat should come wrapped in bacon.

[narch]

I do however debate the ability of anyone to judge/evaluate the talents of any player "sight unseen".

these are my last words on this subject - i don't have to see a player to get a picture of his ability...i've read all of the posts about him on these boards, most from people who have seen him play (and most which question his ability to be an sec qb), i've talked to coaches and former coaches who have seen him in person and on film and i've seen the numbers he has put up on the d3 level...most importantly, i've seen the fact that he isn't on a d1 (or sec) roster

the sec is a high reward/high consequence league...those coaches have plenty of incentive to make sure their 85 scholarships are being given to guys who can play - if any of the 4 sec teams that offered him in high school thought he could help them, i believe he would have been offered by them when he left ut - last i checked, vandy was a pretty good place to get an education, certainly above the level of any odac school in terms of national academic reputation...he could choose vandy and still be choosing to get an education - if he's good enough to start at the majority of d1 programs as you say and is a legit sec qb as you imply, why isn't he at a place like vandy? let's take a step down from the sec...why isn't he at a place like duke or wake forest or northwestern or furman or w&m or richmond...all really good schools where an sec caliber qb could get a great education AND not have to pay for it? the likely answer is that none of those coaches thought he could help them...if almost every d1 coach felt he wasn't good enough to play for them, i don't have to see him play to know he isn't an sec qb...i trust those coaches and their judgement

[HSCTiger fan]

I do however debate the ability of anyone to judge/evaluate the talents of any player "sight unseen".

these are my last words on this subject - i don't have to see a player to get a picture of his ability...i've read all of the posts about him on these boards, most from people who have seen him play (and most which question his ability to be an sec qb), i've talked to coaches and former coaches who have seen him in person and on film and i've seen the numbers he has put up on the d3 level...most importantly, i've seen the fact that he isn't on a d1 (or sec) roster

the sec is a high reward/high consequence league...those coaches have plenty of incentive to make sure their 85 scholarships are being given to guys who can play - if any of the 4 sec teams that offered him in high school thought he could help them, i believe he would have been offered by them when he left ut - last i checked, vandy was a pretty good place to get an education, certainly above the level of any odac school in terms of national academic reputation...he could choose vandy and still be choosing to get an education - if he's good enough to start at the majority of d1 programs as you say and is a legit sec qb as you imply, why isn't he at a place like vandy? let's take a step down from the sec...why isn't he at a place like duke or wake forest or northwestern or furman or w&m or richmond...all really good schools where an sec caliber qb could get a great education AND not have to pay for it? the likely answer is that none of those coaches thought he could help them...if almost every d1 coach felt he wasn't good enough to play for them, i don't have to see him play to know he isn't an sec qb...i trust those coaches and their judgement

He's not at those schools because he chose HSC.  You are 100% wrong in assuming he could have chosen another SEC school or an ACC school.  I doubt UT would have allowed him to transfer to any of those programs and YES schools can and do dictate where a kid can transfer.  Further he chose to PLAY!  One might assume he did not want to sit another year,  You have no idea as to what his options were or were not. Just like you have no idea as to his abilities as a QB.   I may write things that are pompous and delusional but you write speculative BS that is assumptive, misinformed and flat false.   I'm glad this is your last post on the subject.  Maybe now you can write about something you actually understand.

[narch]

Nash Nance is a great college football player that would start for most D1, D2, NAIA, and D3 teams...

He chose education over football.

Further he chose to PLAY!

[HSCTiger fan]

This was your best post yet on the subject!  I'm glad you are starting to see things my way.

[hasanova]

Back to a more important topic ... all I know to be 100% true is that "all grillable meat should be wrapped in bacon ..."

[HSCTiger fan]

100% agree. Hey Hasanova we'd love to have you drop by our tailgate at Guilford. We might even have some bacon wrapped meats.  My son and another HSC player went to Ragsdale. We should have lots of friends and family. You will not be able to miss us. I'll have my tailgate trailer parked behind the baseball scoreboard. Should be a great time. Hopefully we can see you there.

[Pat Coleman]

This was your best post yet on the subject!  I'm glad you are starting to see things my way.

I think he was pointing out that you're not particularly on message.

To me, it's not the five picks in the CNU game that even give me pause -- it's the yards per attempt. At 5.1 yards per attempt, those are numbers more attuned to a running back.

[jknezek]

I feel like this horse has been beaten to death more than any other topic on the ODAC boards in the couple years since I joined.  He's not a D1 QB right now and he's not going to be recruited back to that level. So, he's a D3 QB and a pretty darn good one and that's how his career is going to play out. Could he have been a D1 QB? Who cares and we won't know.  Speculation and opinions... we can all have our own and, in this case, there is simply no way to prove either side. I'm sorry I helped get it started.

Guilford comes to Lexington next week. W&L won't want to let go of their home winning streak and Guilford just doesn't appear to have taken the big step to join the top of the conference. Now it is time to find out. Curious about E&H at R-MC and Catholic at H-SC as well. Shenandoah at Bridgewater... eh, Bridgewater is going on their 4th game versus a bad team. Wake me up when they have to line up against some better ones.