FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

That's fair and I agree that GC is the team to beat. When I say the road goes thru HSC it's because no one except WL and HSC has won an ODAC title in the last 5 seasons. Close last year does not put a ring on your finger. 

Didn't four teams share that thing last year?

There were 4 teams at 5-2. Bridgewater, E&H, Guilford and H-SC. H-SC was the conference champion. There was no sharing despite records. One set of rings and they are on the HSC fingers. I can't remember exactly why and I'm too lazy to look it back up, but I think it had to do with HSC beat more of the top ODAC teams than anyone else. It's phrased different in the ODAC book but it comes down to how the teams you beat finished in the conference. 

[hasanova]

That's fair and I agree that GC is the team to beat. When I say the road goes thru HSC it's because no one except WL and HSC has won an ODAC title in the last 5 seasons. Close last year does not put a ring on your finger. 

Didn't four teams share that thing last year?

Yes, they did.  Bridgewater, E&H and Guilford were all 8-2 (5-2) and Hampden-Sydney was 7-3 (5-2).  The first tiebreakers eliminated BC and E&H and the final tiebreaker eliminated GC in the head-to-head OT match-up with HSC.  I hope my Tiger buddies won't take this the wrong way, but HSC "limped" into the playoffs with a loss to RMC and some injuries and finished 7-4 after hitting the buzzsaw better known as Wesley.  Final point, however, HSC earned the title.

I believe GC got the preseason nod this year because they were playing effectively at end of the 2014 season (yeah, I know we lost to HSC in game 9), the number of returning Seniors and Juniors at key positions and a somewhat favorable schedule: 6 games in Greensboro (Soup Bowl with Greensboro included) and ODAC home games with SU, RMC, HSC and E&H).

I am cautiously optimistic ... i.e., don't count your chickens until they're hatched.  One game at a time and we haven't beaten HSC since 1999.

[HSCTiger fan]

I agree the HSC limped into the playoffs. But no one at HSC is going to apologiz for winning the ODAC. There were 7 other teams that had a chance. There's no asterisk on the trophy.

As much as every team might want to - no team in the ODAC is playing a role at the national level. In the end winning the conference has been the only championship anyone in D3 not playing for MU or UWW has experienced for a very long time. Holding up that ODAC trophy is certainly the goal of every ODAC team right now.

Wally I know Wabash has a great team but their first goal every year has to be winning the NCAC. I'm surprised you used such a dismissive as calling a championship "that thing". 

[wally_wabash]

4 way tie Wally but only 1 champion. That "thing" is a conference championship. It's been a while since the LGs have won one. So understand why you might be confused.

I mean, you could have just said "while I understand that most conferences declare co-champions in these situations, the ODAC does not and therefore Hampden-Sydney was the singular conference champion in 2014." 

If you want to get chesty with your ODAC people, fine.  Hampden-Sydney has earned that (through a series of technicalities apparently).  But maybe pump the brakes when it comes to Wabash.  Your nationally-ranked Tigers got thumped on last year.  Win next Saturday and chirp away, friend.  But that tone right now...you haven't earned that one. 

[Wabash Hokie]

4 way tie Wally but only 1 champion. That "thing" is a conference championship. It's been a while since the LGs have won one. So understand why you might be confused.

HSCTiger - you need to spend more time on NCAC board so the other Tigers (Witt and DPU) can see how its done. +1 on the zing.


While the 10th ranked LGs are favored in the upcoming game, the combination of the travel, the first game, and new HSC personnel on offense will make for an interesting first half.  Personally, I think it will be either a walk-over by the end of the first half (21 - 0 or greater) or a low scoring game where both offenses (for varying reasons) struggle.  I don't see many points being put up by the Tigers.


Looking forward to the trip out to VA.  Taking in the Wabash / Hampden-Sydney game on Saturday and then heading to Blacksburg for the Monday night Tech / Ohio State game.

[jknezek]

4 way tie Wally but only 1 champion. That "thing" is a conference championship. It's been a while since the LGs have won one. So understand why you might be confused.

HSCTiger - you need to spend more time on NCAC board so the other Tigers (Witt and DPU) can see how its done. +1 on the zing.


While the 10th ranked LGs are favored in the upcoming game, the combination of the travel, the first game, and new HSC personnel on offense will make for an interesting first half.  Personally, I think it will be either a walk-over by the end of the first half (21 - 0 or greater) or a low scoring game where both offenses (for varying reasons) struggle.  I don't see many points being put up by the Tigers.


Looking forward to the trip out to VA.  Taking in the Wabash / Hampden-Sydney game on Saturday and then heading to Blacksburg for the Monday night Tech / Ohio State game.

That's quite a double header. I'm not confident the VA duo will do very well...  One of my closest friends is a Hokie. He's so much fun to rag on. Drives him crazy that I only follow D3 football and he's too lazy to look for ways to rag on my recently sad Generals.

[wally_wabash]

Wally I know Wabash has a great team but their first goal every year has to be winning the NCAC. I'm surprised you used such a dismissive as calling a championship "that thing".

I'm not in the locker room so I can't speak specifically to what the team goals are or how they're prioritized (although my hunch is that goal 1 is always and will always be to beat DePauw).  Winning the league is obviously A goal, but not THE goal.  I don't look at 2014 and feel like it was a busted season because Wabash didn't win the NCAC. 

[HSCTiger fan]

4 way tie Wally but only 1 champion. That "thing" is a conference championship. It's been a while since the LGs have won one. So understand why you might be confused.

I mean, you could have just said "while I understand that most conferences declare co-champions in these situations, the ODAC does not and therefore Hampden-Sydney was the singular conference champion in 2014." 

If you want to get chesty with your ODAC people, fine.  Hampden-Sydney has earned that (through a series of technicalities apparently).  But maybe pump the brakes when it comes to Wabash.  Your nationally-ranked Tigers got thumped on last year.  Win next Saturday and chirp away, friend.  But that tone right now...you haven't earned that one.

Tone?  You set it not me. You came on the ODAC board and belittled the championship that every team that plays in the ODAC is striving for. I've been chesty here and on the NCAC board. Fact is no player  at Wabash has won anything. Over the last 3 years they've finished 3rd missed the playoffs, 2nd missed the playoffs, and 2nd and won one playoff game. They've accomplished less in a weaker conference than has HSC over the same time frame. I get it they beat HSC last year. I've given them their due. I'll thump my chest all I want about winning the ODAC. That is most certainly HSC's first priority every season. Maybe Wabash's goals are much more lofty if they are they could not have lived up expectations.

[D3MAFAN]

The added entertainment from this thread, is making the gentlemen classic that much more interesting to watch...Good Luck to both teams.

[wally_wabash]

4 way tie Wally but only 1 champion. That "thing" is a conference championship. It's been a while since the LGs have won one. So understand why you might be confused.

I mean, you could have just said "while I understand that most conferences declare co-champions in these situations, the ODAC does not and therefore Hampden-Sydney was the singular conference champion in 2014." 

If you want to get chesty with your ODAC people, fine.  Hampden-Sydney has earned that (through a series of technicalities apparently).  But maybe pump the brakes when it comes to Wabash.  Your nationally-ranked Tigers got thumped on last year.  Win next Saturday and chirp away, friend.  But that tone right now...you haven't earned that one.

Tone?  You set it not me. You came on the ODAC board and belittled the championship that every team that plays in the ODAC is striving for.

Yeah, I think you completely misread my initial post about the Old Dominion Athletic Conference Football Championship™ (is that appropriate reverence?).  Didn't mean to belittle anything or anybody...just keeping it casual- apparently too casual.  If that was offensive, my bad.  Certainly wasn't my intent. 

Fact is no player at Wabash has won anything.

False.  Among many other things,  they've won vs. the Overlords of the Old Dominion, your Hampden-Sydney Tigers. 

They've accomplished less in a weaker conference than has HSC over the same time frame.

There's nothing more pointless than the my-conference-is-better-than-your-conference card.  It couldn't matter less.  How did that whole better conference thing work out for y'all last September?  How many points do you get for being in what you think is a better conference?  I'll hang up and listen.   

[HSCTiger fan]

Your right Wally. The LGs seem have met a few of their lessor goals but nothing significant on a national level. 1 and 1 over the last 3 seasons in playoffs. Yes you did say it with the reverence it deserves this time. Thanks.

[wally_wabash]

What are you talking about, man?  What does any of that have to do with anything?

[Pat Coleman]

Your right Wally. The LGs seem have met a few of their lessor goals but nothing significant on a national level. 1 and 1 over the last 3 seasons in playoffs. Yes you did say it with the reverence it deserves this time. Thanks.

That's as many wins as Hampden-Sydney has and I dare say beating Franklin is more impressive than beating Maryville.

[HSCTiger fan]

Seriously?  So now you're jumping in?  I'm very blinded with devotion for HSC. I admit it. But is HSC to apologize for who the NCAA scheduled them to play?  Hell no!  HSC more than proved they earned the right to be in the playoffs the next week on the road at Linfield. 

They're also not going to apologize for winning the tie breaker in the ODAC. HSC is a very good d3 football team. Not the best, but certainly year end and year out better than 80% of the teams playing d3. If Wabash is better year in and year out than 90% of all d3 teams it's still yielded less over the last 3 years than what HSC has done over the same time.

Wabash vs HSC - 1 for Wabash
Playoff wins - tied at 1 for each
Playoff games - 3 for HSC - 2 for Wabash
Conference Championships 2 for HSC (including 1 from a 4 way tie) 0 for Wabash (including NONE from any ties).

No apologies, no excuses.

[Pat Coleman]

Seriously?  So now you're jumping in?

I do like to drop facts into heated 'blind devotion' arguments when needed.

HSC earned the right to be in the playoffs when they won the ODAC, whether it was outright or on a four-way tiebreak.

Outside of Farmville you'd find very few people who think Hampden-Sydney has accomplished more than Wabash in Division III football.