FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

Happy New Year to all our posters. May 2016 bring you joy, except when facing the Generals!

[tigerFanAlso2]

May the Tigers figure out how to score inside the 5 yd. line in 2016 !!!!!

[HSCTiger fan]

if they don't recruit off campus how in the hell does this machine keep ticking ?

I believe HSCTiger fan was mistaken about OAC and off-campus recruiting.  AD Larry Kehres personally flew to Florida to watch one coveted recruit play (he got him).

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

[jknezek]

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

Why not? Wesley's head coach is the AD at Wesley. LK was AD at UMU before he retired as head football coach. I'd assume there are others. I'm quite certain that UMU follows the rules as well as anyone else. The other teams in the conference would be screaming bloody murder if they didn't.

[tigerFanAlso2]

does not matter what MU does/does not do on the recruiting trail, whatever it is, few other D3 program even attempt to duplicate it or compete against it and the results speak for themselves. 

[jknezek]

does not matter what MU does/does not do on the recruiting trail, whatever it is, few other D3 program even attempt to duplicate it or compete against it and the results speak for themselves.

Other schools don't have the recruiting hook that UMU has drawn on for many years. The last 4 year recruiting class not to win a national title ring at UMU entered in 1988. I was 10 years old when they entered college and I'm now 15+ years out of college. You want a national title? Go to UMU. No one else at any level of collegiate football can say the same thing.

[HSCTiger fan]

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

Why not? Wesley's head coach is the AD at Wesley. LK was AD at UMU before he retired as head football coach. I'd assume there are others. I'm quite certain that UMU follows the rules as well as anyone else. The other teams in the conference would be screaming bloody murder if they didn't.

He's not the coach. Period. He's the AD. The rule was - if not still - that coaches cannot recruit off campus. Not sure it extended to AD's. Maybe that's a way to get around the OAC's rules.  If it is maybe everyone is sending their AD across country to recruit.  I don't know and I really don't care that much. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

Why not? Wesley's head coach is the AD at Wesley. LK was AD at UMU before he retired as head football coach. I'd assume there are others. I'm quite certain that UMU follows the rules as well as anyone else. The other teams in the conference would be screaming bloody murder if they didn't.

He's not the coach. Period. He's the AD. The rule was - if not still - that coaches cannot recruit off campus. Not sure it extended to AD's. Maybe that's a way to get around the OAC's rules.  If it is maybe everyone is sending their AD across country to recruit.  I don't know and I really don't care that much.

LK is also the QB coach.

[jknezek]

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

Why not? Wesley's head coach is the AD at Wesley. LK was AD at UMU before he retired as head football coach. I'd assume there are others. I'm quite certain that UMU follows the rules as well as anyone else. The other teams in the conference would be screaming bloody murder if they didn't.

He's not the coach. Period. He's the AD. The rule was - if not still - that coaches cannot recruit off campus. Not sure it extended to AD's. Maybe that's a way to get around the OAC's rules.  If it is maybe everyone is sending their AD across country to recruit.  I don't know and I really don't care that much.

LK is also the QB coach.

I think this is true also, but you don't find him listed on the football staff page.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If he's the AD then he's not a coach. Wonder if the recruiting budget allows for him to fly to Florida to watch a volleyball player or soccer player (doubt it)?  I'm sure he got this player right out from under Florida, Florida St., or Miami.

It was an OAC rule at one time not sure it still is.  Never said I thought MU followed those rules.  I'm confident they found a way to work around them.

Why not? Wesley's head coach is the AD at Wesley. LK was AD at UMU before he retired as head football coach. I'd assume there are others. I'm quite certain that UMU follows the rules as well as anyone else. The other teams in the conference would be screaming bloody murder if they didn't.

He's not the coach. Period. He's the AD. The rule was - if not still - that coaches cannot recruit off campus. Not sure it extended to AD's. Maybe that's a way to get around the OAC's rules.  If it is maybe everyone is sending their AD across country to recruit.  I don't know and I really don't care that much.

LK is also the QB coach.

I think this is true also, but you don't find him listed on the football staff page.

Yeah, it can be really awkward when Daddy Legend is the AD and Junior is the Head Coach - from talk on the OAC page I know that LK is at least the de facto QB coach - apparently he is not the official QB coach.

[HSCTiger fan]

When the NCAA came up with the idea of D3 I doubt they considered the thought of coaches/ADs flying around the country recruiting athletes to play non-scholarship sports.  I find it amusing that MU or any other school would spend their resources in such a manner.

Student - Why is tuition so high?
Financial Aid - We have to recover the costs of round trip airfare, lodging, and meals for recruiting.
Student - We must be recruiting some great students. What's their GPA?
Financial Aid - Well his GPA is only 2.9 but his 40 is 4.45!

[jknezek]

When the NCAA came up with the idea of D3 I doubt they considered the thought of coaches/ADs flying around the country recruiting athletes to play non-scholarship sports.  I find it amusing that MU or any other school would spend their resources in such a manner.

Student - Why is tuition so high?
Financial Aid - We have to recover the costs of round trip airfare, lodging, and meals for recruiting.
Student - We must be recruiting some great students. What's their GPA?
Financial Aid - Well his GPA is only 2.9 but his 40 is 4.45!

Funny. I have no proof of this, but I'm willing to bet LK was in the area for something else. Either personal or professional and didn't make a sole purpose trip to see the kid. I know UMU, and a lot of other schools, visit recruiting fairs in FL. I also know that UMU has a pipeline through some former players that are now coaches in FL and other places.

It's easy to try and vilify UMU because of their success, but their success also would have bred scrutiny. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that indicates LK ever slipped one toe out of line.

[HSCTiger fan]

I'm sorry JK but with all the issues facing the ncaa I doubt seriously they've brought their best and brightest to Alliance or any where else in D3 for that matter. D1 schools are sanctioned every year.  It seems a new school is hit every week. There are occasions that D3 schools are sanctioned - like Emory and Henry. But the punishments are nothing. With EH (who was coached by a former UMU coach) the penalties did not include a post season ban AND they were still eligible for the ODAC championship. It was not even a slap on the wrist. More like a tap.

The NCAA for the most part allows D3 to police themselves.

[HSCTiger fan]

One more thing. I doubt ver seriously that any football player for UMU was ever found at a recruiting fair.

[jknezek]

One more thing. I doubt ver seriously that any football player for UMU was ever found at a recruiting fair.

I'll take you up on that. UMU brings in 75+ first years every year. The top tier I'd wager are quite clearly recruited. But even D1 schools get walk ons or preferred walk ons that end up playing, and in that 75+ there are kids that UMU didn't know would grow, or didn't come from a name program, or were a bit late in blooming. These kids work hard and some of them become players. I very much doubt the recruiting fairs would be as big a deal, and as popular with players and coaches, if they didn't offer a benefit.