FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[tigerFanAlso2]

Leave it to an outsider to solve the odac problem. Thanks Wally, that makes perfect sense but will only happen if usasc is willing to agree to these terms. As far as the option to play two games vs. a conference opponent really has little appeal, but if that's the only way to fill the 10 game schedule, maybe I'll have a change of heart.

Damn, never knew how important CAU was to the odac.

Still don't understand why odac will not change by-laws and go after CNU real hard. competitive athletic program, quality academics, few travel issues.

[jknezek]

Leave it to an outsider to solve the odac problem. Thanks Wally, that makes perfect sense but will only happen if usasc is willing to agree to these terms. As far as the option to play two games vs. a conference opponent really has little appeal, but if that's the only way to fill the 10 game schedule, maybe I'll have a change of heart.

Damn, never knew how important CAU was to the odac.

Still don't understand why odac will not change by-laws and go after CNU real hard. competitive athletic program, quality academics, few travel issues.

If they can't land SVa as an affiliate the same issue will show up with CNU as an affiliate. And adding another full-time member is still an issue for the second largest conference in DIII. Further, it simply goes against the purpose of the conference. The ODAC mission statement:

4. Maintaining competitive equity within the conference

involving private institutions, in geographic proximity to each other

[tigerFanAlso2]

leadership & members alike should rethink mission/by-laws. times have changed, perhaps odac should consider changing as well. one more quality member, for all sports, will not create much hardship. pros will out weight cons in my opinion.

[jknezek]

leadership & members alike should rethink mission/by-laws. times have changed, perhaps odac should consider changing as well. one more quality member, for all sports, will not create much hardship. pros will out weight cons in my opinion.

I think you are in the minority there. When considered over all sports, the ODAC needs another member, especially one that doesn't work with its historical mission and values statement, like it needs the football champion to play UMU in the first round of the football playoffs.

[tigerFanAlso2]

totally disagree but that makes for healthy debate. I think CNU would be an outstanding member for the reasons already stated. 

[Pat Coleman]

leadership & members alike should rethink mission/by-laws. times have changed, perhaps odac should consider changing as well. one more quality member, for all sports, will not create much hardship. pros will out weight cons in my opinion.

I think you are in the minority there. When considered over all sports, the ODAC needs another member, especially one that doesn't work with its historical mission and values statement, like it needs the football champion to play UMU in the first round of the football playoffs.

If W&L was so dead-set against Catholic joining the league that they refused to play them the first year in the league, then I shudder to think how they would protest adding a state school.

[jknezek]

leadership & members alike should rethink mission/by-laws. times have changed, perhaps odac should consider changing as well. one more quality member, for all sports, will not create much hardship. pros will out weight cons in my opinion.

I think you are in the minority there. When considered over all sports, the ODAC needs another member, especially one that doesn't work with its historical mission and values statement, like it needs the football champion to play UMU in the first round of the football playoffs.

If W&L was so dead-set against Catholic joining the league that they refused to play them the first year in the league, then I shudder to think how they would protest adding a state school.

And thanks to that ridiculous, bull headed stubborness, W&L never lost to Catholic in Lexington! 11-0 at home, 17-4 total. See, if you don't play teams when they are really, really good, it's not hard to have winning records against them... 

[Scots13]

Coming from the USAC, I'd love to have more/different ODAC teams on the schedule. The addition of Brevard into the USAC makes life difficult for ODAC and USAC teams to play one another if there will be 8 conference games for USAC schools. Add in the fact some teams play each other every year and have cross-conference rivalries makes it harder to schedule other USAC/ODAC games. I'd love to see Maryville play HSC or Guilford, or Ferrum play W&L, but for all we can see E&H has both of them tied up for one of their OOC games.
I think it takes away some of the fun when you have to play the same teams every year and don't get to expand the schedule.

[tigerFanAlso2]

Glad I'm not an AD in the odac. this is going to be a night mare

[jknezek]

Glad I'm not an AD in the odac. this is going to be a night mare

Wrong verb tense my friend. This already IS a nightmare for them.

[hasanova]

Glad I'm not an AD in the odac. this is going to be a night mare

Wrong verb tense my friend. This already IS a nightmare for them.

Exactly.  Why do you think Guilford doesn't have a home game until Oct., only has four home games and has two DI non-scholarship teams on the schedule?  Coupled with Greensboro pulling out of the Soup Bowl, it got tough very quickly.  There are only five DIII football playing schools in NC and the other four are committed to the USAC full schedule.  There are zero DIII schools in SC, only three in Tennessee and only one in GA that plays football.  Who do we play?

Speaking of Maryville vs Guilford, we've played before but I can't remember the last time.  Not a bad trip via I-40 through the mountains.

[Scots13]

Glad I'm not an AD in the odac. this is going to be a night mare

Wrong verb tense my friend. This already IS a nightmare for them.

Exactly.  Why do you think Guilford doesn't have a home game until Oct., only has four home games and has two DI non-scholarship teams on the schedule?  Coupled with Greensboro pulling out of the Soup Bowl, it got tough very quickly.  There are only five DIII football playing schools in NC and the other four are committed to the USAC full schedule.  There are zero DIII schools in SC, only three in Tennessee and only one in GA that plays football.  Who do we play?

Speaking of Maryville vs Guilford, we've played before but I can't remember the last time.  Not a bad trip via I-40 through the mountains.

There's two in GA-- LaGrange and Berry (SAA)

1980. A 14-0 Guilford win, per MC's 2016 Media Guide. Series is 4-2 MC.

[tigerFanAlso2]

Hasa

Exactly, who do we play ? D3 schools playing in small football conferences (odac) are in trouble. 3 game ooc schedule is difficult, 4 game ooc almost impossible. four choices, spend the $$$ to fly which most odac schools cannot afford to do, play a 8/9 game schedule which will hurt recruiting, play multiple times vs. in conference teams or drop the football all together.

[hasanova]

Glad I'm not an AD in the odac. this is going to be a night mare

Wrong verb tense my friend. This already IS a nightmare for them.

Exactly.  Why do you think Guilford doesn't have a home game until Oct., only has four home games and has two DI non-scholarship teams on the schedule?  Coupled with Greensboro pulling out of the Soup Bowl, it got tough very quickly.  There are only five DIII football playing schools in NC and the other four are committed to the USAC full schedule.  There are zero DIII schools in SC, only three in Tennessee and only one in GA that plays football.  Who do we play?

Speaking of Maryville vs Guilford, we've played before but I can't remember the last time.  Not a bad trip via I-40 through the mountains.

There's two in GA-- LaGrange and Berry (SAA)

1980. A 14-0 Guilford win, per MC's 2016 Media Guide. Series is 4-2 MC.

You are correct.  I remembered LaGrange, but forgot Berry ... my apology to the Vikings.

Thanks for looking up the series ... knew it had been awhile, but didn't realize 37 years.  +1

[hasanova]

Hasa

Exactly, who do we play ? D3 schools playing in small football conferences (odac) are in trouble. 3 game ooc schedule is difficult, 4 game ooc almost impossible. four choices, spend the $$$ to fly which most odac schools cannot afford to do, play a 8/9 game schedule which will hurt recruiting, play multiple times vs. in conference teams or drop the football all together.

The perfect solution, as discussed ad nauseam, would be for an existing ODAC school to start football.  It creates no stress on other sports, which, in my opinion, are maxed with 12 participants and would be in the travel footprint.  Of the candidates, I rule out Randolph (size), EMU (culture) and Roanoke (self-diagnosed financial feasibility ... and I heard it from a reliable source within the school).  So, that leaves Lynchburg and VWC.  Lynchburg had football in the past and may think it is too expensive now and VWC may not think they can compete with Norfolk State, Hampton, ODU and W&M in the Tidewater recruiting wars.  Are we stuck or is there a deus ex machina to save the day?