FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

http://www.heraldcourier.com/sports/gregory-wasps-must-find-answers-in-a-hurry/article_86f5a6fe-9b54-11e7-a462-f712f3d43deb.html

Curt Newsome thinks highly of your Generals, jk.

Hmmm... if nothing else, he's got the coachspeak down...

[Scots13]

I hadn't realized that E&H hasn't won the ODAC since 2000, but has 10 ODAC titles.  Talk about a drought. 

[jknezek]

I hadn't realized that E&H hasn't won the ODAC since 2000, but has 10 ODAC titles.  Talk about a drought.

Oh yeah. Their glory years were definitely the later 80s and the 90s. Once Bridgewater rose, and then HSC, they became mostly  mediocre to poor. From 2001 until 2014 they only went above .500 in conference play twice. The last 3 years, under Curt Newsome have been a step forward. The end of Lou Wacker's regime and especially the Don Montgomery years were very unimpressive.

[Scots13]

especially the Don Montgomery years were very unimpressive.

According to the E&H website, Don Montgomery had 3 years vacated. '12 and '13 presumably due to the recruiting violations, but what about '07?

[jknezek]

especially the Don Montgomery years were very unimpressive.

According to the E&H website, Don Montgomery had 3 years vacated. '12 and '13 presumably due to the recruiting violations, but what about '07?

They had 4 games I think they forfeited that year and lost 6 outright. Not sure if they technically won the 4 forfeited games or not. Can't remember. I think it was an ineligible player but don't hold me to that.

[tigerFanAlso2]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

[Bartman]

Enjoyed watching an exiting passing game from Coach Scott Yoder's Shenandoah team against Hobart....They may have a hard time stopping the run but they can come right back and score with their passing game....Good luck to SU in the ODAC this year, I am sure they will part of some very entertaining contests

[jknezek]

Enjoyed watching an exiting passing game from Coach Scott Yoder's Shenandoah team against Hobart....They may have a hard time stopping the run but they can come right back and score with their passing game....Good luck to SU in the ODAC this year, I am sure they will part of some very entertaining contests

Bausermann is the real deal at QB. It'll be interesting if they can match or beat last year's 4 wins in conference. With one less game, it would be a pretty good season for the Hornets if they can. We will see how their offense does against what will probably be a pretty irritated RMC in 2 weeks.

[HSCTiger fan]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

51 carries 207 yards if you take out sacks. Nothing to boost about but you also need to remember a lot of our passes are short. Negating the neccessity for running the ball as much. Against UWP, HSC had at least 50 yards passing on shuttle passes and jet sweeps where the QB simply flips ball to WR.

[jknezek]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

51 carries 207 yards if you take out sacks. Nothing to boost about but you also need to remember a lot of our passes are short. Negating the neccessity for running the ball as much. Against UWP, HSC had at least 50 yards passing on shuttle passes and jet sweeps where the QB simply flips ball to WR.

I always wondered about taking out sacks. Should those yards come off your passing game? Got to account for them somewhere. Interesting about the short passing. Going to be an interesting year in the ODAC.

[HSCTiger fan]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

51 carries 207 yards if you take out sacks. Nothing to boost about but you also need to remember a lot of our passes are short. Negating the neccessity for running the ball as much. Against UWP, HSC had at least 50 yards passing on shuttle passes and jet sweeps where the QB simply flips ball to WR.

I always wondered about taking out sacks. Should those yards come off your passing game? Got to account for them somewhere. Interesting about the short passing. Going to be an interesting year in the ODAC.

I know you have to account for the yards. They are considered passes by rule. But they are part of the "run" game.

[jknezek]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

51 carries 207 yards if you take out sacks. Nothing to boost about but you also need to remember a lot of our passes are short. Negating the neccessity for running the ball as much. Against UWP, HSC had at least 50 yards passing on shuttle passes and jet sweeps where the QB simply flips ball to WR.

I always wondered about taking out sacks. Should those yards come off your passing game? Got to account for them somewhere. Interesting about the short passing. Going to be an interesting year in the ODAC.

I know you have to account for the yards. They are considered passes by rule. But they are part of the "run" game.

No, I was thinking more sacks. I always wondered if we should move sacks to negative passing yards as a function of being more accurate with record keeping. I kind of feel the same way about any pass caught behind the LOS or any pass that travels backwards, though that is probably on less firm ground. Interestingly, an option pitch is considered a run, an inside shuttle pass is considered a pass.

[wally_wabash]

Definitely with you on the lameness of the way the NCAA accounts for sack yardage.  Paints a totally inaccurate picture of what happened. 

[Bombers798891]

Definitely with you on the lameness of the way the NCAA accounts for sack yardage.  Paints a totally inaccurate picture of what happened.

Yeah, the NFL's way of doing it—taking it out of team passing yards—makes more sense. I know the logic—until a QB actually throws the ball, it's not a pass play—but it just doesn't work with what we see on the field.

[HSCTiger fan]

Jk

I agree with you regarding our run game; it is bad but not as bad as the stats indicate. We have so many plays for negative yardage do to QB sacks that make the numbers like worse than they are but still, the run game pretty much is not a factor; but yet, many pass calls are off of play action which I'm really not understanding. Hopefully things will change; I don't think HSC will play a better team than UWP the remainder of the year so there is some hope for better things to come. Defense will keep us in a lot of games, hopefully the offense will continue to improve, absolutely no hope for the kicking game. It is worse than what you would expect from most JV high school teams. Little chance to make a extra point, no chance to kick a field goal. Kicking game will cost us some ball games.

51 carries 207 yards if you take out sacks. Nothing to boost about but you also need to remember a lot of our passes are short. Negating the neccessity for running the ball as much. Against UWP, HSC had at least 50 yards passing on shuttle passes and jet sweeps where the QB simply flips ball to WR.

I always wondered about taking out sacks. Should those yards come off your passing game? Got to account for them somewhere. Interesting about the short passing. Going to be an interesting year in the ODAC.

I know you have to account for the yards. They are considered passes by rule. But they are part of the "run" game.

No, I was thinking more sacks. I always wondered if we should move sacks to negative passing yards as a function of being more accurate with record keeping. I kind of feel the same way about any pass caught behind the LOS or any pass that travels backwards, though that is probably on less firm ground. Interestingly, an option pitch is considered a run, an inside shuttle pass is considered a pass.

An option pitch that goes forward is a pass.