FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[bluestreak66]

Fans of W&L

I apologize to all of you for a post I put on the OAC board. I thought I was being funny but instead I was just being stupid. I don't mind the negative k's but I DO mind if I offended anyone.
I deleted the post. 🚽

Don't be such a softy MUC. It was a fine joke, probably got dinged from those vindictive John Carroll posters. Half a mind to ding you for being a weenie though 😂

I would never dream of dinging MUC 

[y_jack_lok]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

[HSCTiger fan]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

[thescottharris]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

Glad I'm not involved in the day to day of college athletics anymore. The hours in the spring were bad enough for SIDs throughout the ODAC without the fall sports involved! At least then February, maybe first week of March, was the only overlap with basketball and spring sports. Now it's going to be like that on steroids for the whole semester! Thoughts and prayers also out to the athletic trainers and anyone who inevitably gets furloughed with no sports in the fall (hopefully furlough is all it is!).

Could be a nice spring for my bank account by being a ringer when a nearby school inevitably needs it though!

[hasanova]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

I don't know that this is a certainty.  I believe they are hopeful there will be spring competition.

[HSCTiger fan]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

I don't know that this is a certainty.  I believe they are hopeful there will be spring competition.

I heard the same thing. That's why I said "a chance to play". I also heard if a team competes in 5 or fewer games that EVERYONE retains their eligibility!  I sure hope they play for the sake of the seniors.

[HSCTiger fan]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

Glad I'm not involved in the day to day of college athletics anymore. The hours in the spring were bad enough for SIDs throughout the ODAC without the fall sports involved! At least then February, maybe first week of March, was the only overlap with basketball and spring sports. Now it's going to be like that on steroids for the whole semester! Thoughts and prayers also out to the athletic trainers and anyone who inevitably gets furloughed with no sports in the fall (hopefully furlough is all it is!).

Could be a nice spring for my bank account by being a ringer when a nearby school inevitably needs it though!

Scotth, It might be a difficult task, the hours may be long, and I'm sure things will overlap. C'mon man!  Really?  You know what I'd hate?  I'd hate to be a SID or trainer to go tell a senior they can't play because it was just too damn tough on ME! 

I'm struggling to understand this "poor me" logic.

[Pat Coleman]

I'd hate to be a SID or trainer to go tell a senior they can't play because it was just too damn tough on ME! 

I don't think "too damn tough" is the issue: scheduling conflicts and overlaps for a staff that isn't going to grow just for one semester is the issue.

One thing to keep in mind is that generally, schools have twice as many sports as Hampden-Sydney does.

[thescottharris]

Fall sports postponed: https://odaconline.com/general/2020-21/releases/072120-odac-update

A quote from Larry Stimpert President of HSC - "At Hampden-Sydney, sports with fall championships (cross country, football, and soccer) will not compete this fall, but will instead compete next spring."

I know logistically this is going to be difficult. But I am glad the guys have a chance to play this spring.

Glad I'm not involved in the day to day of college athletics anymore. The hours in the spring were bad enough for SIDs throughout the ODAC without the fall sports involved! At least then February, maybe first week of March, was the only overlap with basketball and spring sports. Now it's going to be like that on steroids for the whole semester! Thoughts and prayers also out to the athletic trainers and anyone who inevitably gets furloughed with no sports in the fall (hopefully furlough is all it is!).

Could be a nice spring for my bank account by being a ringer when a nearby school inevitably needs it though!

Scotth, It might be a difficult task, the hours may be long, and I'm sure things will overlap. C'mon man!  Really?  You know what I'd hate?  I'd hate to be a SID or trainer to go tell a senior they can't play because it was just too damn tough on ME! 

I'm struggling to understand this "poor me" logic.

Only speaking from my experience as an SID since I've never been an athletic trainer, but try working 50-60+ hours a week, 6-7 days a week, several nights a week, often going weeks on end without a day off while the regular/post seasons are in session in a normal school year with three separate seasons.

Now tell me how doable it is when your work load more or less just doubled. There's only so many hours in a week a human being can work before it becomes detrimental to their well-being.

And good luck getting any additional help. A lot of schools are slashing expenses, laying off and furloughing people. The chances of hiring anyone that can provide regular every day help are slim to none at most of these schools. Maybe the school will throw some extra student employment money their way or maybe they get lucky and get a former SID to be a ringer to help out at a couple games a week or so. Most will not have the luxury of a ringer though.

[Pat Coleman]

Plus, you have to plan for the possibility that fans won't be allowed to attend, so web streaming is a must for every event possible.

It takes a lot of man-hours even to host a basic event.

[thescottharris]

Plus, you have to plan for the possibility that fans won't be allowed to attend, so web streaming is a must for every event possible.

It takes a lot of man-hours even to host a basic event.

The ODAC as a collective unit does a pretty good job with webcasting as much as possible. Some schools are limited by what they can do because of the facilities they have to work with, budget limitations, or manpower limitations (it can be pretty hard to find a commentator who is decent, for example). But from what I can tell, they've done a pretty good job broadcasting as many events as they possibly can given whatever limitations they have to work with.

BUT, think of all the expense it will entail to broadcast everything possible now since there is far greater likelihood of even more overlap due to the potential of more games being played at the same time due to having all your indoor and outdoor sports sharing the same season. To broadcast as much as they were before, some schools are inevitably going to have to buy more equipment.

I can't vouch for what every other ODAC school does, but at H-SC, we didn't have the equipment to run more than two events at a time, and we run a basic one-camera operation without graphics other than what Boxcast provides for a scorebug. We didn't have the equipment when I left to do every game at the same quality, we could do a third but it would take sacrificing quite a bit in video quality along with no audio.

It's a simple and fairly cheap way to run a webcast. To use high quality equipment for that, once factoring in audio equipment, is going to run well over $2k per setup.

Some ODAC schools run more complex webcasts with graphics and multiple camera angles, which involves having much more expensive backend equipment. Now you're talking several thousands of more dollars that will need to be spent if they don't have enough equipment to cover all facilities since there is a potential for more games to be played at the same time.

In a time where schools are laying off and furloughing people and slashing expenses everywhere they reasonably can, is it even appropriate to hand over thousands of more dollars to the athletic department just so they can stream sporting events? Just think of the optics of doing that. I'd be apoplectic if the school did that after I got laid off, furloughed, or had some of my benefits reduced and/or eliminated.

[HSCTiger fan]

Plus, you have to plan for the possibility that fans won't be allowed to attend, so web streaming is a must for every event possible.

It takes a lot of man-hours even to host a basic event.

The ODAC as a collective unit does a pretty good job with webcasting as much as possible. Some schools are limited by what they can do because of the facilities they have to work with, budget limitations, or manpower limitations (it can be pretty hard to find a commentator who is decent, for example). But from what I can tell, they've done a pretty good job broadcasting as many events as they possibly can given whatever limitations they have to work with.

BUT, think of all the expense it will entail to broadcast everything possible now since there is far greater likelihood of even more overlap due to the potential of more games being played at the same time due to having all your indoor and outdoor sports sharing the same season. To broadcast as much as they were before, some schools are inevitably going to have to buy more equipment.

I can't vouch for what every other ODAC school does, but at H-SC, we didn't have the equipment to run more than two events at a time, and we run a basic one-camera operation without graphics other than what Boxcast provides for a scorebug. We didn't have the equipment when I left to do every game at the same quality, we could do a third but it would take sacrificing quite a bit in video quality along with no audio.

It's a simple and fairly cheap way to run a webcast. To use high quality equipment for that, once factoring in audio equipment, is going to run well over $2k per setup.

Some ODAC schools run more complex webcasts with graphics and multiple camera angles, which involves having much more expensive backend equipment. Now you're talking several thousands of more dollars that will need to be spent if they don't have enough equipment to cover all facilities since there is a potential for more games to be played at the same time.

In a time where schools are laying off and furloughing people and slashing expenses everywhere they reasonably can, is it even appropriate to hand over thousands of more dollars to the athletic department just so they can stream sporting events? Just think of the optics of doing that. I'd be apoplectic if the school did that after I got laid off, furloughed, or had some of my benefits reduced and/or eliminated.

I get what you are saying but if I were a senior and you came to me and said these things about your hours being doubled, the optics of athletic departments spending, the streaming quality of a game, or basically anything else, I would not care about anything you said. I'd ask after you finished speaking - when are we playing? 

[jknezek]

Plus, you have to plan for the possibility that fans won't be allowed to attend, so web streaming is a must for every event possible.

It takes a lot of man-hours even to host a basic event.

The ODAC as a collective unit does a pretty good job with webcasting as much as possible. Some schools are limited by what they can do because of the facilities they have to work with, budget limitations, or manpower limitations (it can be pretty hard to find a commentator who is decent, for example). But from what I can tell, they've done a pretty good job broadcasting as many events as they possibly can given whatever limitations they have to work with.

BUT, think of all the expense it will entail to broadcast everything possible now since there is far greater likelihood of even more overlap due to the potential of more games being played at the same time due to having all your indoor and outdoor sports sharing the same season. To broadcast as much as they were before, some schools are inevitably going to have to buy more equipment.

I can't vouch for what every other ODAC school does, but at H-SC, we didn't have the equipment to run more than two events at a time, and we run a basic one-camera operation without graphics other than what Boxcast provides for a scorebug. We didn't have the equipment when I left to do every game at the same quality, we could do a third but it would take sacrificing quite a bit in video quality along with no audio.

It's a simple and fairly cheap way to run a webcast. To use high quality equipment for that, once factoring in audio equipment, is going to run well over $2k per setup.

Some ODAC schools run more complex webcasts with graphics and multiple camera angles, which involves having much more expensive backend equipment. Now you're talking several thousands of more dollars that will need to be spent if they don't have enough equipment to cover all facilities since there is a potential for more games to be played at the same time.

In a time where schools are laying off and furloughing people and slashing expenses everywhere they reasonably can, is it even appropriate to hand over thousands of more dollars to the athletic department just so they can stream sporting events? Just think of the optics of doing that. I'd be apoplectic if the school did that after I got laid off, furloughed, or had some of my benefits reduced and/or eliminated.

I get what you are saying but if I were a senior and you came to me and said these things about your hours being doubled, the optics of athletic departments spending, the streaming quality of a game, or basically anything else, I would not care about anything you said. I'd ask after you finished speaking - when are we playing?

I agree. If the choice is between being able to play only if we can stream, or being able to play regardless of stream, as a player, parent, coach, stakeholder of any kind, streaming should not be a roadblock. It's a perk, not a necessity, in this environment. However, if the choice is between being able to play with an athletic trainer available, or being able to play without an athletic trainer available, as a parent I'd be more concerned. Proper medical supervision IS a requirement in a way streaming, press releases, and fans simply aren't.

[thescottharris]

Plus, you have to plan for the possibility that fans won't be allowed to attend, so web streaming is a must for every event possible.

It takes a lot of man-hours even to host a basic event.

The ODAC as a collective unit does a pretty good job with webcasting as much as possible. Some schools are limited by what they can do because of the facilities they have to work with, budget limitations, or manpower limitations (it can be pretty hard to find a commentator who is decent, for example). But from what I can tell, they've done a pretty good job broadcasting as many events as they possibly can given whatever limitations they have to work with.

BUT, think of all the expense it will entail to broadcast everything possible now since there is far greater likelihood of even more overlap due to the potential of more games being played at the same time due to having all your indoor and outdoor sports sharing the same season. To broadcast as much as they were before, some schools are inevitably going to have to buy more equipment.

I can't vouch for what every other ODAC school does, but at H-SC, we didn't have the equipment to run more than two events at a time, and we run a basic one-camera operation without graphics other than what Boxcast provides for a scorebug. We didn't have the equipment when I left to do every game at the same quality, we could do a third but it would take sacrificing quite a bit in video quality along with no audio.

It's a simple and fairly cheap way to run a webcast. To use high quality equipment for that, once factoring in audio equipment, is going to run well over $2k per setup.

Some ODAC schools run more complex webcasts with graphics and multiple camera angles, which involves having much more expensive backend equipment. Now you're talking several thousands of more dollars that will need to be spent if they don't have enough equipment to cover all facilities since there is a potential for more games to be played at the same time.

In a time where schools are laying off and furloughing people and slashing expenses everywhere they reasonably can, is it even appropriate to hand over thousands of more dollars to the athletic department just so they can stream sporting events? Just think of the optics of doing that. I'd be apoplectic if the school did that after I got laid off, furloughed, or had some of my benefits reduced and/or eliminated.

I get what you are saying but if I were a senior and you came to me and said these things about your hours being doubled, the optics of athletic departments spending, the streaming quality of a game, or basically anything else, I would not care about anything you said. I'd ask after you finished speaking - when are we playing?

I agree. If the choice is between being able to play only if we can stream, or being able to play regardless of stream, as a player, parent, coach, stakeholder of any kind, streaming should not be a roadblock. It's a perk, not a necessity, in this environment. However, if the choice is between being able to play with an athletic trainer available, or being able to play without an athletic trainer available, as a parent I'd be more concerned. Proper medical supervision IS a requirement in a way streaming, press releases, and fans simply aren't.

Going to be kind of hard to play a game without enough people to run the clocks and scoreboards and what not.

And of course that's not even factoring in the mass uproar that will happen if games aren't being webcasted. We caught crap if the webcast wasn't perfect. Imagine what it's going to be like if it isn't even available. People will pull donations over stuff like that and parents of prospective student athletes will reconsider sending their kid there if they can't watch them play.

And for the record, I'm like 99% sure you aren't allowed to play a game without a certified athletic trainer present.

[HSCTiger fan]

Scotth, Ok it will be more difficult to do things in the spring. But does it require someone with an advanced degree to run a scoreboard?  If not, one could assume that there might be a few people on every campus that might enjoy making some beer money.  If it does require an advanced degree there should be a few around campus too.  As for the webcast, if people have pulled donations over the quality of a webcast just imagine how many people would be pissed off if HSC had a chance to play and they did not.