FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[D3Waterboy]

One of the best factors in the BC box score (other than more points than the other guys) was the penalities...the Eagles usually have more flags than the other team and seemed to get close to 100 yards of walk-off mileage by the zebras...only 4 flags this time...35 yards...looks like better discipline than in prior years...good job. 

[hasanova]

PS... New pics up from the GC/Ferrum game. Link in my profile. Some goods ones of Leinart.

Trenches, what's up with Kiesel's buzz cut?  Did he lose a bet?  lol  You could launch a Navy F/A-18C off the top!  It looks as though he went to the barber Saturday morning, because he had absolutely no tan where he got it cut.  It took me a few minutes after the game started Saturday to figure out who he was on the sideline! 

[Hug]

In my opinion, very good news.

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[hasanova]

In my opinion, very good news.

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[Trenches]

PS... New pics up from the GC/Ferrum game. Link in my profile. Some goods ones of Leinart.

Trenches, what's up with Kiesel's buzz cut?  Did he lose a bet?  lol  You could launch a Navy F/A-18C off the top!  It looks as though he went to the barber Saturday morning, because he had absolutely no tan where he got it cut.  It took me a few minutes after the game started Saturday to figure out who he was on the sideline! 

Yeah, I noticed that too. I could be wrong but for some reason I remember him doing it at the beginning of the season last year too. Maybe it's a season opener tradition??

[muchacho]

I just learned that I can understand Pig Latin better when I'm listening to it than reading it.

Too bad for the kid from Shenandoah, but did his parents realize when they were naming him that people could call him Dick Glick?

As for this week's Shenandoah/BC game. How impressive was Catholic's defense against Shenandoah, or are the Hornets just that bad?
I'm putting the over/under for yards for Shenandoah at 84. What do you take if you're putting down money?

[frenjr]

whats up guys...i am new to this...but as life long player and fan of the game I love opportunities to discuss the game with men such as yourselves.


I would like to say that EHC is my team, although they have been down the last couple of years under Coach Wacker and new coach Don Montgomery. The Wasps will sting the ODAC again.

I do have some questions that will probably be answered in tomorrows opener v. Marrietta.

1. Why does Montgomery play the same 5 linemen the entire game at Marrietta when they obviosly needed a rotation? Not to say that they were not good, but they were tired and the team needed something different against a defense with so much speed.

2. In game 2 at home I saw 3 different linemen, all of which stayed in the game the entire time. Why doesnt Monty get a rotation going for those guys?

3. Why in the world would he leave a lineman in the game when he is getting killed when he had guys that had started in previous games sitting on the bench. He had a decent starting 5 for Marrietta, then throughout the season all of the 1st 5 were benched. He had one guy in there, that couldnt have weighed 200lbs soakin wet, gettin creamed by a huge defensive lineman when he has a couple 300 pounders that can play sittin the bench. I dont understand his offensive line scheme.

But, tomorrow will tell the tale. Will Monty have a big strong line or one that looks like a couple of giants with midget friends?

I suspect Coach Monty has his reasons.  I don't doubt any move he makes, his record as a DC speaks for itself.  Most likely had depth issues and questions last year with players who did not "get it" yet, but this is just speculation.  Year 2 should be better with more of Monty's Recruits and another year of his conditioning under their belts.  The man was way ahead of his time as a strenght and conditioning coach at Mount Union.

Yeah I know what you mean. I know Coach Montgomery and have played for him. I know his defensive mind is rivaled by none. But, I do question his offense. When Dewey was Offensive Coordinator the offense was in the national top 10 in total offense, but the deffense was probably in the last 10. Montgomery is a defensive genious but a rookie on the offensive side. He played as an offensive lineman and a small one he was. I know that he was a great player in his day and that he understands the offense. I just dont think you should fix something that isnt broken. But i believe in due time he will take the wasps back to the top. I just hate it when people say that things will get better when he gets his people in there. Well what about the guys that are there now. They can win games in the ODAC.

Dewey Lusk an offensive genius? Are you kidding me? I played under Lusk for 4 years, and while he was many things, offensive genius is far from it. Come on, this is the same guy who lined up Nathan Tuck against Fish (an All American DB from Davidson, can't remember the 1st name) and kept forcing Tuck the ball... no motion, nothing to keep him away from Fish one on one. It was the most stupid, pigheaded waste of a talented offensive player I ever saw. Lusk constantly elevated players who were "his boys" or Gamms and buried guys who were much better players. Remember, under this clown Todd Mounts sat the bench while WES ROBBINS, yes, WES ROBBINS started for a year. The same guy kept Richie Rodes, who any DB that played for EHC in the late 90's that Richie was one of the toughest guys to cover on the team, and yet we saw no hands Henri Fitzgerald start over him for 2 years. Lusk not being part of the program is the BEST CHANGE that came with Coach Montgomery coming to EHC.

as for EHC on Saturday.  Defensively they look much better in the front seven. Their scheme generated pressure, and they looked physically stronger at the point of attack. The lack of true athletes still plagues them, especially at defensive end and secondary. Their secondary can't cover man to man, and with the Marietta QB scrambling, they just did not have much of a chance. The entire team looks physically stronger, so it seems like Coach Montogomery's weight program did work. They exhibited much more heart than I saw at any point last year.

Offensively, it was good to see the new wide receivers contribute. Stewart and Jackson did not seem to do much, but other kids stepped up. Woods still is not any kind of a threat on the run, and appears heavier than last year. He was a little shakey early on and got better. The line pass blocked well, but struggled again in the run blocking. Their stances were just awful looking...like a midget league team. #64 at center looked decent, but the right side of the line was brutal throughout. If #74 is their best option at RT, they are in a world of trouble. His navel ate grass all day while "attempting" to run block, but I don't think he touched a soul. Gillespe looked great on his touchdown run, but he really struggled the rest of the day and did not seem aggressive attacking the holes that were there. Caleb Moore ran harder, but did not break any big runs.

I see improvement, but with Adam Dowe in the house, it just reminded me of how far removed this team is from the 87-2000 glory days.

[hasanova]

I just learned that I can understand Pig Latin better when I'm listening to it than reading it.

Too bad for the kid from Shenandoah, but did his parents realize when they were naming him that people could call him Dick Glick?

As for this week's Shenandoah/BC game. How impressive was Catholic's defense against Shenandoah, or are the Hornets just that bad?
I'm putting the over/under for yards for Shenandoah at 84. What do you take if you're putting down money?

Well, maybe d3sports will make all our posts available on audio tape for the igPay atinLay impaireday.  Speaking of Richard Glick, it could be worse.  The guy who started the tennis racquet and ski equipment company is Richard Head.     I used to work for a guy named Richard Hunter ... and his nickname was Dick!  Ouch!  One time at a distributors' meeting he looked around at his name in big letters on the projection screen and asked, "Mother, how could you?"  lol

I'm getting the impression from kid and others who were at the SU/CUA game that the Offense for the Hornets was partially responsible for making the CUA Defense look good.  Maybe you should give it a few more games before you get too excited.

[frenjr]

also, Marshall Doss is one heck of a football player. He was everywhere on Saturday, far and away the best Wasp on the field. Expect him to have a terrific season at MLB if he can stay healthy this year

[hasanova]

Sorry Trenches, but that last pic is a little gay. So what type of championship belt is that anyway?

WWF - We "whupped" Ferrum.  lol   Yeah, it is a little gay.  I keep expecting to see Ace and Gary in the background.   

[ehcfball]

Dewey Lusk an offensive genius? Are you kidding me? I played under Lusk for 4 years, and while he was many things, offensive genius is far from it. Come on, this is the same guy who lined up Nathan Tuck against Fish (an All American DB from Davidson, can't remember the 1st name) and kept forcing Tuck the ball... no motion, nothing to keep him away from Fish one on one. It was the most stupid, pigheaded waste of a talented offensive player I ever saw. Lusk constantly elevated players who were "his boys" or Gamms and buried guys who were much better players. Remember, under this clown Todd Mounts sat the bench while WES ROBBINS, yes, WES ROBBINS started for a year. The same guy kept Richie Rodes, who any DB that played for EHC in the late 90's that Richie was one of the toughest guys to cover on the team, and yet we saw no hands Henri Fitzgerald start over him for 2 years. Lusk not being part of the program is the BEST CHANGE that came with Coach Montgomery coming to EHC.

as for EHC on Saturday.  Defensively they look much better in the front seven. Their scheme generated pressure, and they looked physically stronger at the point of attack. The lack of true athletes still plagues them, especially at defensive end and secondary. Their secondary can't cover man to man, and with the Marietta QB scrambling, they just did not have much of a chance. The entire team looks physically stronger, so it seems like Coach Montogomery's weight program did work. They exhibited much more heart than I saw at any point last year.

Offensively, it was good to see the new wide receivers contribute. Stewart and Jackson did not seem to do much, but other kids stepped up. Woods still is not any kind of a threat on the run, and appears heavier than last year. He was a little shakey early on and got better. The line pass blocked well, but struggled again in the run blocking. Their stances were just awful looking...like a midget league team. #64 at center looked decent, but the right side of the line was brutal throughout. If #74 is their best option at RT, they are in a world of trouble. His navel ate grass all day while "attempting" to run block, but I don't think he touched a soul. Gillespe looked great on his touchdown run, but he really struggled the rest of the day and did not seem aggressive attacking the holes that were there. Caleb Moore ran harder, but did not break any big runs.

I see improvement, but with Adam Dowe in the house, it just reminded me of how far removed this team is from the 87-2000 glory days.
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Now I never said Dewey was a genious if you will go back and look at it. I said Monty was a defensive genious. I just stated that when Dewey was in control of the offense we were doing great things. I know that he had his favorites, but we were putting up lots of points on the scoreboard. I cant say anything about Dewey in the 90's, but I had no problems with him when I played. I just cant see why Monty changed a primarily passing offense with a QB with tremendous confidence to a running style offense. As you stated, the offensive line pass blocked well but struggled to run block. If it were me, I would pass the ball more which would open up the run and make the draw a great play when the opposing team pulled men out of the box to coverage. This would also open the screen out of the backfield. But, I am not the coach.

But yes, I know that Monty has the team stronger than ever. The Wasps will work harder than ever and it will eventually pay off. And, Marshall Doss is one heck of a player. He has the attitude to do whatever he wants to on that field, if he can stay on that field. This means staying healthy and out of trouble.

[Bmore BC]

I was at the BC game on Sat and a couple things that caught my eye.

BC defense did what it is supposed to do. Kick an opponent when down, because McDaniel just isn't good on offense. The DB's did a nice job of taking those short out patterns that killed us the previous years away. Good pressure on QB, sacks resulted in taking QBs 1st option away in passing game.  Defense is physical and that hit on the 2nd half kickoff had the stands talking for about 5 minutes. If not the stands it had me wound up. I think the pass defense will be better then people think with the starters.

BC QB looked good as far as pocket awareness, once he is on the same page with recievers watch out. Recievers did a good job of cathing the ball as well, but can kind of see the deep threat missing. Soltis did a good job of picking up play calling duties. Just thought Matthews could get a couple more touches.  #1 looked good, just think once he learns to make something out of nothing, and pick his holes, he can be a legitamate RB in D3. Copland looks a little like Moss the way he makes it look easy.

[frenjr]

Now I never said Dewey was a genious if you will go back and look at it. I said Monty was a defensive genious. I just stated that when Dewey was in control of the offense we were doing great things. I know that he had his favorites, but we were putting up lots of points on the scoreboard. I cant say anything about Dewey in the 90's, but I had no problems with him when I played. I just cant see why Monty changed a primarily passing offense with a QB with tremendous confidence to a running style offense. As you stated, the offensive line pass blocked well but struggled to run block. If it were me, I would pass the ball more which would open up the run and make the draw a great play when the opposing team pulled men out of the box to coverage. This would also open the screen out of the backfield. But, I am not the coach.

But yes, I know that Monty has the team stronger than ever. The Wasps will work harder than ever and it will eventually pay off. And, Marshall Doss is one heck of a player. He has the attitude to do whatever he wants to on that field, if he can stay on that field. This means staying healthy and out of trouble.

why change the pass happy offense under Lusk?
EHC's record under Lusk from 2001-2004  was HOW MANY GAMES UNDER .500? EHC won 11 ODAC titles with a 75/35 run to pass ratio in all but seasons under Gary Collier in the 80's and Shannon Johnson in 2000.

If you will look back, every team that won the ODAC since 1994 either had an 1000 yard rusher or lead the conference in total rushing. Emory rolled out JD Davis, Oliver Jordan, Andy Stanley, David Schammel, Ernest Cheatem, ect ect. Catholic's first year in the league was able to win the title largely thanks to the efforts of Anthony Notarfrascatero (I am probably brutalizing his name, but he was a hell of a power back), and Bridgewater has been dominant behind a terrific mixture of great running backs and passing. Every "pretender to the throne" since the mid 90's (Randolph Macon back in my day, HSC over the last couple years) has been a predominantly pass oriented offense that failed them at big moments. EHC revirted to the pass happy system because they quit recruiting quality offensive and defensive linemen and tailbacks (thank you President Morris for cutting financial aid) and the pass offense was the only way they were able to remain competitive, but it destroyed the core ethic of the team, and Coach Montgomery was left to pick up the pieces.  All the traditional D3 powers function with offenses where the run sets up the pass, even at schools with great passing traditions like Mount Union. If EHC wants to return to greatness, they may not need to line up in the I and run  35 times a game, but they need to be able to run the ball in key situations.  The offensive line currently being better at pass blocking is not a justification for being more dependant on the passing game. Coach Wellenhoffer's job is to make those guys better RUN and PASS blockers. I think Josh is a good guy, but I (and several other ex players in the endzone) were shocked by how poor the line exhibited basic fundamentals like a proper stance, coming off the ball low, and drive blocking.

There is a reason you hear the phrase "throw for show, run for dough."

[Olinemom]

In my opinion, very good news.

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[Olinemom]

I was at the BC game on Sat and a couple things that caught my eye.

BC defense did what it is supposed to do. Kick an opponent when down, because McDaniel just isn't good on offense. The DB's did a nice job of taking those short out patterns that killed us the previous years away. Good pressure on QB, sacks resulted in taking QBs 1st option away in passing game.  Defense is physical and that hit on the 2nd half kickoff had the stands talking for about 5 minutes. If not the stands it had me wound up. I think the pass defense will be better then people think with the starters.

BC QB looked good as far as pocket awareness, once he is on the same page with recievers watch out. Recievers did a good job of cathing the ball as well, but can kind of see the deep threat missing. Soltis did a good job of picking up play calling duties. Just thought Matthews could get a couple more touches.  #1 looked good, just think once he learns to make something out of nothing, and pick his holes, he can be a legitamate RB in D3. Copland looks a little like Moss the way he makes it look easy.

Very perceptive.  I agree with your points.  I can still hear that hit on the kickoff ringing in my ears!!  I thought Robbie could have received a lot more touches but there's a whole season.    I thought the OLine did a very nice job, especially considering all the first teamers we lost to graduation!!!  Kudos also to Tony Burt, to Arkahdy (sp) and the defense as well!!!  I was happy to see Venancio do well too!!  and yippee to Nick.  He's 1 for 1!  I'm looking forward to Saturday's home opener!