FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Olinemom]

Good luck to Bridgewater tomorrow. It sounds like you are ready to OD on chicken, brownies (Yay, Olinemom), and communion wine.

Keep up the undefeated season!

No such luck, Mr. and Mrs. Coco.  Guilford was ready for us.  They outplayed us, especially in the first quarter and took it to us.  We got beat and will have to refocus our efforts.  We have to play our kind of football from the very first play and not wait until the second quarter.  I give kudos to Guilford. They showed great preparation and caught us with some good running with Micah and some great passing by Vogelbach.  Their O-Line looked pretty darn good most of the afternoon as well.  Let me also say that the field, and the new press box, sound system looked fantastic!!!  A first rate improvement.  I await the rejuvenation of the visitors bleachers in the next go-round.
     It was lots of fun to meet Hasanova and Mrs Hasa.  I wish I could have seen the Hasa mobile.  I, too, had a Nova when I was in school--grad school that is--with black interior down in NOLA (that's New Orleans for the uninitiated) with NO AIR CONDITIONING!  Believe me, nobody deserves to live like that!! My apt. didn't have air conditiong either. 
     It is always great to have faces, personality and names to go with the screen names of the posters.  I enjoyed tailgating with the Guilford crowd.  Trenches and GCol, 2 O-Liners, and you know how I love O-Liners, were there as well.  It was fantastic to discuss the game with you guys at half-time.  I am just sorry I was right.  I had been worried all week about Vogelbach and his O-Line.  It turns out I had good reason to be worried, but the Defense was also a legitimate worry.  I got some great pictures at the tailgate-especially the one with GCOL and me--thanks, 82's dad!! and those who were in attendance must surely agree that Llamaguy can really barbecue chicken!!  What a wonderful surprise to me was the shrimp boil that was also served along with all the other goodies that the regular Stone Station crowd brings.  My contribution, to no one's shock, I'm sure, was 6 pans of assorted brownies.  I thank #82's parents and the Goodens (on their umpteenth wedding anniversary, no less) for helping me get the goodies to and from the bus!!  Again I had a delightful afternoon with the exception of the football game.  It's hard to watch my boys getting outplayed and outcoached.  But it seemed to me that Guilford was super well prepared for what we do and that we were not prepared for what they had in mind for us.  However, that being said, our team will learn from this experience, put it behind them and go forth with a new enthusiasm to begin a new string of ODAC victories.  They didn't care for the feeling today and I know that they don't want to repeat the experience.  I have faith in my guys.  They will bounce back.  Hasa, Mrs. Hasa, Trenches and GCol, thanks for making it a memorable afternoon.

[abnrgr]

I was watching the Auburn game and saw CU and LaSalle's scores. Pretty cool to see the ODAC on TV (albeit in the wrong side of the score)

[muchacho]

I was watching the Auburn game and saw CU and LaSalle's scores. Pretty cool to see the ODAC on TV (albeit in the wrong side of the score)

From years past, I can guarantee that it is a good feeling to see that score come up positive for Catholic. The players at Catholic always understood that the La Salle score would make that bottom line, and that always made that game a little bit special. A little recognition feels good sometimes.

[hasanova]

Just rolled in from a great weekend of football in North Carolina. All except for the score of the game. LOL!   I said it would be the game of the year in the ODAC, now I guess I'll have to amend that to 1 of 3 potential games of the year. Number two will be next week in Lexington and if the Gennies win then number 3 will be at BC the following week, that is assuming BC can take care of E&H next week. BC will need to improve their offensive execution based on today's performance. And yes turnovers did play a factor as mentioned. BC fumbled twice on a QB to RB exchange on 1st down no less. That being said Guilford took advantage and executed their game plan to a tee. Congratulations Quakers!  I would like to thank Hasanova for the parking space Friday night and the socialization at Hooters. I can honestly say that Guilford College ranks in the Top 3 schools in D3 from a hospitality standpoint. We were given prime real estate to set up Stone Station and they even came by and hauled the trash for us, twice! Please thank the athletic dept. for me Hasanova.   It was also nice putting faces with GCOL & Trenches. Congrats on the win.
Oh by the way Hasanova, your Basketball team doesn't stand a chance at BC if I can fire up some Stone Station chicken prior to the game. They would never make the tip-off!

85, I'll keep it up there if it'll get you in those home blues. Congrats on the Maryville win today.

Llamaguy and others, thanks for everything.  I told you the game day staff "knew you were coming" and I'm glad, but not surprised, they took such good care of you.  I'll pass along your thanks.    I hope you enjoy the Hubs Virginia peanuts I added to the buffet - they're my favorites!  It was equally nice for me, as you said, to put faces with all the online personalities.  It was, indeed, a great win for Quaker football.  Honestly, I think it is the best home win since 1984 or 1985 when we knocked off Elon long after they had moved up to DII.

Llamaguy, I'm having lunch in a week or so with basketball Coach Palombo.  I'll make a note to tell him that Stone Station is off limits until AFTER we play the Eagles.  It's tuna salad and fruit for the Quakers in the pregame meal.  lol 

I had heard some inside talk that the Quakers were going to run the ball a lot today and I think that was a key to the victory.  Congratulations to the Eagles on the VERY impressive 36-game ODAC win streak.  Two years ago I never would have guessed Guilford would be the team to break it, but I started to get some good vibes in the HSC loss last year.  Hopefully, the ODAC can be an even greater, more-balanced league in years to come.  It should be exciting!  Good luck to the Eagles and their fans the rest of the season.  Peace

[hasanova]

olinemom - Thanks for the delicious brownies.  Hasanovette and I tried one of everything!  I'm a bachelor, so please don't give Hasanovette too many ideas with the Mrs. Hasa moniker.  We're doing great, but we're still working on it.  lol  No harm done, so please know I'm just teasing a bit. 

I have to say I think Guilford was well-prepared today and I appreciate that acknowledgement from the BC fans.  I only counted a handful of mistakes today by the Quakers (two interceptions  one was on fourth down and was as good as a punt, the illegal substitution faux pas that gave the Eagles an automatic first down when they were lined up to punt and the late 2nd quarter TD on Highfill's scramble with 2.5 seconds to go comw to mind!)   Overall, I think the offensive balance was a key (would you believe 206 yards rushing and ONLY 238 passing?!).  I'm sure Vogelbach was willing to trade another 300-yard passing game for today's win.  Another key factor - I think Guilford's much-maligned Defense came to play.  I saw some great hits today.  For the most part, the Defense and Special Teams bent some, but did not irreparably break.  In my opinion, today's win was not a fluke - the Quakers had a plan and executed it well.  Bridgewater has the best DIII fans I've seen.  I can see how the vaunted "12th man" has helped make the Eagles such a power!  Peace

[algernon]

So this makes for a very interesting run towards the end of the season in the ODAC. As things stand right now, I see things like this.
1A W&L
1B Guilford
1C BC
4 HSC
5 EH
6 Catholic
7 RMC

I only see the three teams at the top with a chance to win the conference, and none of them should finish worse than 3rd. Macon is definitely a step behind everyone else this year, while Catholic, HSC, and EHC fill out the middle. W&L is the favorite in my opinion with no losses, but they still have to face Guilford and BC. However, trouncing Catholic and HSC 28-0 and 28-6 in consecutive weeks makes them look damn good, especially since HSC beat Guilford. Each game featuring those 3 teams are now incredibly important matchups.

Highly theoretical, but an interesting very-long-shot possibility:

1A W&L   4-2   Defeat Emory & Henry, Lose to Bridgewater & Guilford
1B Guilford   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1C BC   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1D HSC   4-2  Defeat Catholic & RMC

In this scenario, I think that the first tie-breaker is the head-to-head record of each of these 4 teams against the other 3 teams.  Guilford and Bridgewater would be 2-1 and W&L and HSC would be 1-2.  The next tie-breaker (between Guilford and Bridgewater) is the "point system" -- but these 2 teams would be tied in points.  The third tie-breaker, the before-season coin toss, would decide it.  I could be wrong, but I think a coin toss would determine who would get the AQ and the other 3 teams would stay home from the tournament.

[religion_major]

Hasanova,

  Thanks for the complements.  Before I offer my analysis from the perspective of a Bridgewater fan, I will first complement Guilford on a well executed game plan.  Bridgewater was unable to capitalize on the few mistakes that GC made because GC stopped them.  The Quakers impressed me with their rushing attack and their ability to make BC pay for its mistakes.  I thought that Vogelbach took care of the football very well.  Of the two interceptions, one was a great play by Borst and the other was a fourth down play that Josh just threw up in the air to prevent a sack.  Guilford played very well today and deserved to win.  Nothing that I am about to say about Bridgewater should take anything away from the fact that Guilford earned its victory yesterday.

  About Bridgewater's performance, several things concerned me.  As a whole, it did not look like Bridgewater was well prepared.  The offence burned two timeouts because the players did not know what was going on.  Several times a player had to run out to his special teams assignment at the last minute.  Defensively, there were several times when Guilford was on the ball and Bridgewater was waiting for the play to come in from the sidelines.  And while we are on the subject of defense, I have been following BC football for three years and have yet to see the three man front be successful on second or third and long.  It does not put enough pressure on the quarterback and creates too many scrambling lanes.  Offensively, BC did not make very effective adjustments at the half.  They ran variations of the option seven or eight times.  The only time that Guilford stopped it was when Bridgewater fumbled the handoff, but yet the coaching staff did not force Guilford to stop us from running the option.  In order to be successful Bridgewater needs to play better fundamental football.  Yesterday was evidence of that.  The team that executed the fundamentals won the game.  Again, congratulations to Guilford College and good luck at Washington and Lee.

[pakownr97]

Congrats to Guilford and especially Hasanova and company.  I missed the game, but it sounds like Guilford was better prepared. 

Bringing out Rushing at RB sounds like the plan for Rocky to switch back to southpaw when fighting Apollo Creed.  Great game plan. 

Time for BC to rehuddle and kick some Montybutt this weekend.  I will be there come hell or high water, whatever that means, my Mom used to say it.

GO BC!!  We are still proud of our 36 game ODAC winning streak.

BTW, I will amend my BCAC signature as soon as I get the time.  For this week, I designate this board the GCAC board.
   

[Pat Coleman]

Highly theoretical, but an interesting very-long-shot possibility:

1A W&L   4-2   Defeat Emory & Henry, Lose to Bridgewater & Guilford
1B Guilford   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1C BC   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1D HSC   4-2  Defeat Catholic & RMC

In this scenario, I think that the first tie-breaker is the head-to-head record of each of these 4 teams against the other 3 teams.  Guilford and Bridgewater would be 2-1 and W&L and HSC would be 1-2.  The next tie-breaker (between Guilford and Bridgewater) is the "point system" -- but these 2 teams would be tied in points.  The third tie-breaker, the before-season coin toss, would decide it.  I could be wrong, but I think a coin toss would determine who would get the AQ and the other 3 teams would stay home from the tournament.

Once you eliminate teams from a multiple-team tie, you go back to the top of the tiebreakers with the remaining teams. Here you have four teams at 2-1, two of which you eliminate.

With Guilford and Bridgewater remaining in the tie, it goes back to head to head between the two remaining teams. You don't get any deeper in the tiebreaker chain.

[WLU78]

Highly theoretical, but an interesting very-long-shot possibility:

1A W&L   4-2   Defeat Emory & Henry, Lose to Bridgewater & Guilford
1B Guilford   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1C BC   4-2  Lose to Emory & Henry, Defeat W&L, RMC, Catholic
1D HSC   4-2  Defeat Catholic & RMC

In this scenario, I think that the first tie-breaker is the head-to-head record of each of these 4 teams against the other 3 teams.  Guilford and Bridgewater would be 2-1 and W&L and HSC would be 1-2.  The next tie-breaker (between Guilford and Bridgewater) is the "point system" -- but these 2 teams would be tied in points.  The third tie-breaker, the before-season coin toss, would decide it.  I could be wrong, but I think a coin toss would determine who would get the AQ and the other 3 teams would stay home from the tournament.

Once you eliminate teams from a multiple-team tie, you go back to the top of the tiebreakers with the remaining teams. Here you have four teams at 2-1, two of which you eliminate.

With Guilford and Bridgewater remaining in the tie, it goes back to head to head between the two remaining teams. You don't get any deeper in the tiebreaker chain.

Whoa Nelly!!  There is still a whole lotta football left to play!!

[Llamaguy]

Whoa Nelly!!  There is still a whole lotta football left to play!!

Yes, Sir! And the beauty for W&L is that since they have been taking care of business they control their own destiny.

[EHCPride]

Algernon, in your scenario E&H is also a probable 4-2 team, unless you have them losing to Catholic.  Now how would that play out?

[miz]

Wow.  BC has not been in a spot like this for a long time.  Congratualtions to Guilford.  And, congratulations to all the BC players that were a part of what was a remarkable run.  

We'll see which direction it goes, but maybe this can have a silver lining and be a wakeup call for the Eagles.  We have gotta be more disciplined and all of these potentially great players we have on offense need to start producing some points (the D came out in the 2nd half with two straight stops to try to get us back in the game and we went 3-and-out both times............against one of the worst defenses in division 3).

Also, remember at the beginning of this streak BC played every game with a chip on it's sholder and something to prove.  Seems like the last several years we always get up for "big games" but sleepwalk through others.  We just seem to always have a horseshoe up our butt and end up winning despite ourselves.  Maybe this loss will bring back some of that fire and be the start of another streak.  

Also, from now until 4pm next Saturday Washington and Lee is my 2nd favorite college football team.  GO GENERALS.  Don't fall into the same trap we did, and we'll see you in two weeks to play for the Championship.  

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Just got back from a beautiful weekend in North Carolina.  Went from Greensboro to Chapel Hill to Durham.  I have to say, from the alumni and staff at Guilford to the staff at the hotels and restuarants my wife, dog and I stayed at, I was VERY pleased with my stay in NC.

As far as the game goes ... as many BC fans have already said, Guilford definitely won this game - easy.  The game was never in doubt after 3-0, 10-0 and especially 17-0.  A BC touchdown as time ran out in the first half (to make it 24-14) is the only thing that gave us ANY chance of coming back - but Guilford was just too good for us.

After the Quakers excellent play on both sides of the ball, I'd say these are the reasons BC lost:

1) penalties (10)
2) turnovers (4)

I feel like every other possession, we had a stupid penalty that made it 1st and 20 or 2nd and 20, which then forced us to pass it.  Then of course all the Virginia Tech penalties (personl fouls).  What's the deal?  We were constantly moving ourselves backwards.  Very frustrating - especially when the other team doesn't do anything to lead you to it.  Trust me, GC beat BC (BC didn't beat themselves), but we certainly didn't help ourselves with the penalties and turnovers.  Yikes.

But kudos to the Quakers.  I'm actually happy our streak came to an end against them (more than H-SC, E&H or W&L).  I have a lot of respect for their former players (now posters), alumni and school ... and I was happy to see them pull off such a big win for their program.

I will echo the comments made by the GC and BC posters - it was excellent to meet Trenches, Hasanova and GCOL.  You guys were very classy before, during and after the game.  I hope we were the same to you!

Lastly, the H-SC win over GC two weeks ago has certainly made things interesting for BC.  If the Quakers defeat the Generals next week, it'll certainly be their ODAC crown to lose.  If W&L wins, then like Llama said, the ODAC title will probably have to be won by W&L through Jopson (IF the Eagles can beat E&H - which certainly isn't a given after what I saw yesterday).

But anyway, again, very happy for Guilford on their win.  We turned the corner in 2000 with big wins like this one ... so we certainly know the feeling ... and it's a great one!!!

[CNU85]

That's what I like about the BC fans...very gracious. Die hard fans, but when the very seldom loss comes around, ya'll don't go into denial or blame Zeus or Thor.

Head on over to the USASAC board and listen to the Greensboro fans....first CNU blanks them 28-0 in N'orester and they say, CNU is not good enough to be ranked #21. Then they go to hapless Shenandoah and get it handed to them 36-10 and they say SU will not win another game this year......I don't think they realize that what they are really saying is that their team really SUCKS. "SU is so bad they'll never win another game....they had to beat us 36-10 to get the W".


anyway - I spewed.......good luck to BC the rest of the way.....get out your tie breaking rules for the end of the year.....the ODAC is going to be fun to watch!