FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

Hasa,
Transfers are pretty common in D3 football.. don't sweat it!  Heck even Outsider was a  transfer, as was Brandon Wakefield for BC and let's not forget B.Elliot from Linfield.. sometimes the grass IS greener in D3 and it makes sense to leave a school that is overlooking you to play at a school where you'll PLAY and that will appreciate you! 

Thanks, I agree.  You cited some good examples - especially Elliot.  In Vogelbach's case, it is well documented that he gets much more satisfaction actually playing at DIII than he did just being redshirted or being practice fodder at DI.  He never played an official down at ECU and I guess after the offensive guys who recruited him were gone in a head coaching change, thought he never would.  I sincerely think he'll play at Guilford all four years and set some truly outlandish records.   Believe me, Josh could be the BMOC at Guilford, but seems to have the level-headed personality to just want to be a "one of the guys."

[Hug]

Vogelbach is right where he should be - at a D-III program that is willing to let him use his god given ability to throw the football.
Vogelbach is under 6 feet tall, and he is a pocket passer. That does not translate to D-1 football, where the 11 or so linemen in front of him average around 6'5"  D-III those same linemen average around 6'1"

He would have never played at a D-I school.

[wrighthall220]

Vogelbach is right where he should be - at a D-III program that is willing to let him use his god given ability to throw the football.
Vogelbach is under 6 feet tall, and he is a pocket passer. That does not translate to D-1 football, where the 11 or so linemen in front of him average around 6'5"  D-III those same linemen average around 6'1"

He would have never played at a D-I school.

So you're also saying he would have a hard time passing in the pocket at Mount Union as well... 

[Llamaguy]

Don't sweat the transfer think Hasa. He// he has incinuated that BC recruits the "State Pen" and contends that if they can sign the admission form, thier in! All false statements of course, but there has to be some reason other than being a great student athlete that Guilford is now winning games. NOT!

[hasanova]

Vogelbach is right where he should be - at a D-III program that is willing to let him use his god given ability to throw the football.
Vogelbach is under 6 feet tall, and he is a pocket passer. That does not translate to D-1 football, where the 11 or so linemen in front of him average around 6'5"  D-III those same linemen average around 6'1"

He would have never played at a D-I school.

Think about Peyton Manning.  We can't all be 6'5" and have a father like Archie to show us what to do since we were born.  lol  A QB under 6'0" who had a big impact in both college and, to some degree, the NFL was Doug Flutie.   Guys such as Flutie just don't come along very often.    I whole-heartedly agree, I think Vogelbach made a good choice to go to Guilford.  Pat Randolph, Guilford's Offensive Coordinator, knew Josh's father from their college days at West Virginia and Josh's uncle was a good baseball player for the Quakers.  Also given the fact that the Guilford coaching staff told him he could pass 40-60 times a game in their Offense, yes, I think he's in the right place!

[hasanova]

Don't sweat the transfer think Hasa. He// he has incinuated that BC recruits the "State Pen" and contends that if they can sign the admission form, thier in! All false statements of course, but there has to be some reason other than being a great student athlete that Guilford is now winning games. NOT!

Thanks, I'm not sweating it.  I know Guilford as well as anyone and know lots of folks associated with the college and their admissions department.  Guilford recruits students first and athletes second.  They firmly believe they are doing a disservice to a student/athlete (and to the school) if they recruit someone who does not have a reasonable chance to matriculate well and graduate.  Besides (and I know I am slightly biased), Guilford is a great school and a beautiful campus even if they did not have a football team!  With the new football facilities and recent on-field success, I think it's actually become easier to recruit good students (and good student/athletes) to the school.   This fall's incoming freshmen have an average SAT score 37 points higher than the year before (and it was already pretty good), the number of applications was up over 30% and the acceptance rate is at a new low.  All of these things are positive signs for a healthy and vibrant college.  Granted, we're not an Ivy League school, but after Duke, Wake Forest and Davidson, I think we're arguably the next best private school in a state that has forty such institutions.   

[pakownr97]

alright. enough is enough. i get tired of hearing year in and year out how after one or two games of imperfect games how bridgewater is "struggling" or not "hitting on all cylinders". let me go over some stats w/ you to bring some of the bridgewater faithful back down to earth.
36.3 points per game,
15.7 allowed.
419 yards of offense.
5.9 yards per rush.
6.9 yards per play.
top passing efficiency offense in the odac.
2nd in passing efficiency defense.
26/27 in the red zone w/ 22 TDs.

last i checked those are some pretty damn good stats. personally, i know a certain ivy league team that would do anything for those stats. yes, turnovers, penalties and not playing w/ emotion will challenge any great team playing a good team, especially not playing w/ emotion. but good lord people. I'm all for expecting my alma mater to win the odac year in and year out. but when the team isn't producing ungodly playstation-like numbers every single game, that doesn't mean its time to say "well we had a good run, maybe we just don't have it anymore"
if i know the BC staff (and i think i do), i would bet they are challenging the kids this week. challenging their toughness, challenging their work ethics, and challenging their hearts. sometimes young men need a wake-up call to realize that the jersey they wear doesn't win the games; its whats under the jersey that matters
craig winston thode and the other senior leaders it's up to y'all to make sure you don't end your season/careers against catholic

and it all starts right now

Outsider14,

With all sincere due respect to you as a former BC player and current college coach, I think your post was aimed at my post, and I think you misunderstood my points.  I have not been critical of our beloved Eagles "year in and year out."  But I did sense from the Ferrum game, that maybe our team wasn't as strong as our best teams since 2000.  I was afraid that we were not really a top ten team nationally based on my personal comparisons with prior BC teams and playoff opponents that were ranked high.

I never said, nor implied "well we had a good run, maybe we just don't have it anymore."  Quite the contrary, as long as Coach Clark stays, I feel we will be a national power for the foreseeable future.  I do think that MAYBE this team is not as mature as some of our teams in the past, but I have NOT lost faith in them.  I still think we could be a strong playoff team that could get as far as the regional final, but that's realistically about it.  That would be a great accomplishment.  When I attended BC in the dark ages, RMC and HSC beat us badly on a regular basis, so I do appreciate all the current team works so hard to achieve.  I will be proud to call myself a Bridgewater fan whether this team wins out or not.

These guys are very capable of finishing 9-1, don't let anyone doubt that, but they must stay focused on each game, one at a time.  Do not look ahead to W & L, because we are playing E & H this week.  If we lose to E & H, the W & L game means very little.  I predict a big game this weekend.  BC by at least 4 TDs.  Does that sound like a fan that needs brought back down to earth?

BTW, I liked your post and agree with your points, we are both on the same side here.  I just don't want anyone to think that I am a negative fan.  This could still be a great season for Bridgewater football.





 

[Outsider14]

it wasn't aimed at you, but it was the proverbial last straw for me. i get tired of everyone expecting everything to be a well-oiled machine w/o hitches. i've heard it every year since 2001. "this team isn't as good" and then everyone's opinion on what aspects of the game aren't up to par. pardon my frankness but no s***. that was one of the best offensive teams talent wise that you'll see in D3. sorry. i just get tired of hearing it every single year that we have a bad game. i know y'all are great fans; i've lived it. my point is we can't expect absolute perfection every time out.
my venting is done
keep in mind we're 2-3 up here and have played hard in 2 games, guess which ones. understand my frustrations please.

go eagles

[pakownr97]

it wasn't aimed at you, but it was the proverbial last straw for me. i get tired of everyone expecting everything to be a well-oiled machine w/o hitches. i've heard it every year since 2001. "this team isn't as good" and then everyone's opinion on what aspects of the game aren't up to par. pardon my frankness but no s***. that was one of the best offensive teams talent wise that you'll see in D3. sorry. i just get tired of hearing it every single year that we have a bad game. i know y'all are great fans; i've lived it. my point is we can't expect absolute perfection every time out.
my venting is done
keep in mind we're 2-3 up here and have played hard in 2 games, guess which ones. understand my frustrations please.

go eagles

well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

[wrighthall220]

it wasn't aimed at you, but it was the proverbial last straw for me. i get tired of everyone expecting everything to be a well-oiled machine w/o hitches. i've heard it every year since 2001. "this team isn't as good" and then everyone's opinion on what aspects of the game aren't up to par. pardon my frankness but no s***. that was one of the best offensive teams talent wise that you'll see in D3. sorry. i just get tired of hearing it every single year that we have a bad game. i know y'all are great fans; i've lived it. my point is we can't expect absolute perfection every time out.
my venting is done
keep in mind we're 2-3 up here and have played hard in 2 games, guess which ones. understand my frustrations please.

go eagles

That's a good point.. even the 2001 team made some major mistakes but we didn't lose a game over them..(with the exception of MAYBE the MUC game)  take most of that same team in 99 and 2000 and yeah, we made some major mistakes that DID lose some games.. so even if this team goes 9-1 not all is lost.. the players may be BETTER than the 2001 team down the road..they may have just not have been as lucky as the 2001 team.   There were many, many personal fouls against the 2001 team that should have lost us a few games but with time we forget that and if the team goes 9-1 and doesn't win the ODAC title or make the playoffs we're far from done.  When we go 5-5 or 0-10 again.. then we can freak out and worry. 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

it wasn't aimed at you, but it was the proverbial last straw for me. i get tired of everyone expecting everything to be a well-oiled machine w/o hitches. i've heard it every year since 2001. "this team isn't as good" and then everyone's opinion on what aspects of the game aren't up to par. pardon my frankness but no s***. that was one of the best offensive teams talent wise that you'll see in D3. sorry. i just get tired of hearing it every single year that we have a bad game. i know y'all are great fans; i've lived it. my point is we can't expect absolute perfection every time out.

So what would you like us fans to do?  When we have a bad game and/or lose one, we should act like all is well?  I sure hope our coaches and players don't do that.  Not sure why you're all frustrated at us BC fans being realists.  We lost - we committed 10 penalties - we turned it over four times - we didn't execute well.  What's wrong with admitting that?

Your boy Roethlisberger said it best after a loss this season when he said something like "we know we played bad - we don't need the media or the fans to tell us, we know we were bad."  I'm sure our coaches and players are thinking/saying the same thing.  So why is it a big deal that us fans agree?

[hasanova]

Congratulations to Guilford's RB/WR Micah Rushing and Kicker Travis Frazier for being named to the Week 7 d3football Team of the Week.  Rushing had 150 yards rushing and a TD in 20 carries, 80 yards on 4 pass receptions and 7 more yards in returns.  Frazier was 2 for 2 in FGs, 3 for 3 in PATs and had a 46 yard average for 3 punts.

[wrighthall220]

Congratulations to Guilford's RB/WR Micah Rushing and Kicker Travis Frazier for being named to the Week 7 d3football Team of the Week.  Rushing had 150 yards rushing and a TD in 20 carries, 80 yards on 4 pass receptions and 7 more yards in returns.  Frazier was 2 for 2 in FGs, 3 for 3 in PATS and had a 46 yard average for 3 punts.

The kicking game on the part of Frazier was pretty clutch.. he was a big part in putting GC over the top.   BC could have used a solid kicker like that in 2001!

By the way.. after I heard the one put was 40 yards+ towards the end of the game all I could say is "holy hell" 

[Trenches]

Congratulations to Guilford's RB/WR Micah Rushing and Kicker Travis Frazier for being named to the Week 7 d3football Team of the Week.  Rushing had 150 yards rushing and a TD in 20 carries, 80 yards on 4 pass receptions and 7 more yards in returns.  Frazier was 2 for 2 in FGs, 3 for 3 in PATS and had a 46 yard average for 3 punts.

   Came here to do the same hasa, but you beat me to it.    Congrats to Micah and Frazier.

   Amazing that BC had an "average starting field position at the 22-yard line." This is huge if you had been at previous games and seen blown special teams coverages letting up huge returns and giving the other teams outstanding starting field position.

[wrighthall220]

Congratulations to Guilford's RB/WR Micah Rushing and Kicker Travis Frazier for being named to the Week 7 d3football Team of the Week.  Rushing had 150 yards rushing and a TD in 20 carries, 80 yards on 4 pass receptions and 7 more yards in returns.  Frazier was 2 for 2 in FGs, 3 for 3 in PATS and had a 46 yard average for 3 punts.

   Came here to do the same hasa, but you beat me to it.    Congrats to Micah and Frazier.

   Amazing that BC had an "average starting field position at the 22-yard line." This is huge if you had been at previous games and seen blown special teams coverages letting up huge returns and giving the other teams outstanding starting field position.

If GC can pin W&L back on their own 22 I think you all have a good chance of winning.. it seems like they have a pretty decent Special Teams game this year.. which is scary when you consider how good they are on defense and offense year in and year out.