FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[miz]

Listening to the BC postgame interview with Clark they were talking about Guilford using an ineligible player earlier in the year.  Anyone know the scoop on this?  From the interview, it appears that Guilford won't have to forfit any games. 

More importantly, GREAT JOB TODAY BC!!!  W&L will probably go to the playoffs, and the way we played earlier in the month BC doesn't really deserve to go I don't think.  BUT.............I think everyone who was a the game today understands that there is still a lot of life left in this program.  I think RMC and CUA are in for some pretty bad beatings the next two weeks.  W&L is good I guess this year, but they ran into a buzzsaw today.  Total domination. 

Again, great job Eagles.  Way to bounce back. 

[Llamaguy]

This is the scenario for Guilford to go to the NCAAs:[/color][/b]

November 4, 2006
Bridgewater @ Randolph Macon
Catholic @ Guilford
Emory & Henry @ Washington & Lee

November 11, 2006
Bridgewater @ Catholic
Guilford @ Emory & Henry
Randolph Macon @ Hampden-Sydney

Yeah wouldn't that be some headline news! "Guilford becomes the ODAC Champion after Bankston turns his back on rules violation." For Bankston's sake, he better hope Guilford doesn't win it now.

[DenbowsRoomie]

Tough game for the Gennies today in the wind of Jopson.  W&L was without Ward and Stitterson and the offense clearly lacked explosiveness as a result.  Varner, who's been very efficient in his games this season, looked like he was trying to do too much as a result, but can you blame him?  The Gennies sure weren't going to win on the ground.

I'm hoping to get some BC fans' perspectives on the officiating.  I know W&L is the most penalized team in the ODAC this year, but man it sure seemed one-sided with the flags today.  It wasn't so much the calls that were made as much as the non-calls that were holstered.  Sorry about the whine.

Congrats to the Eagles.  Hopefully W&L can take care of business at home next weekend!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Listening to the BC postgame interview with Clark they were talking about Guilford using an ineligible player earlier in the year.  Anyone know the scoop on this?  From the interview, it appears that Guilford won't have to forfit any games.

Of course, I have the scoop.

It would be nice if the ODAC (or a newspaper) released something on it, instead of rumor going around.  I think I know the whole story, but I'm not the one that should be informing the public.  I feel fine giving my opinion though...

I'd say the whole "well, BC got beat on the field, so we shouldn't deserve the win," but it just so happens the kid started against us and played a heck of a game.  Hmm.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Tough game for the Gennies today in the wind of Jopson.  W&L was without Ward and Stitterson and the offense clearly lacked explosiveness as a result.  Varner, who's been very efficient in his games this season, looked like he was trying to do too much as a result, but can you blame him?  The Gennies sure weren't going to win on the ground.

I'm hoping to get some BC fans' perspectives on the officiating.  I know W&L is the most penalized team in the ODAC this year, but man it sure seemed one-sided with the flags today.  It wasn't so much the calls that were made as much as the non-calls that were holstered.  Sorry about the whine.

Congrats to the Eagles.  Hopefully W&L can take care of business at home next weekend!

Haha, how funny.  Only four hours after the game, and we already have our first "how 'bout that officiating" from a W&L poster.  I laugh because Llamaguy said to me during the 3rd quarter; "I bet the W&L fans will be yappin' about the penalties called against them."  I'll let him post the rest of what he said to me.

But I think it was even.  The box score said so; both teams were penalized eight times a piece, with BC being moved back 68 yards to the Generals' 62.  I didn't think any of the penalties were game changing.

I will admit that not having Sitterson out there for you hurt your run game.  Not sure it would have changed the outcome (he only came in averaging less than three yards a carry).  The box score does say he started at TB and I think Ward played the whole first half.  So I'm not sure you can hang your hat on those as being the reason you lost.  You have to point at our offense running over your defense.

[DenbowsRoomie]

True, BC did run all over W&L, especially in the 2nd quarter.  But the offense didn't help out the defense at all, leaving the defense on the field most of the day with the inability to consistently move the ball.  And in a few short-yardage scenarios.

Ward didn't play at all after the 1st quarter and was pacing the sideline presumably to loosen up an injury he suffered.  IMO, W&L was smart to keep him out after the score was 20-0.  Stitterson didn't even put his helmet on all game.

And it's not that W&L misses Stitterson because of his 3-yards a carry.  Despite not achieving monumental success with the run, the formation with Stitterson as the "motion-receiver/running-back" sets up a lot of the other things W&L does on offense.  Without the threat of a Stitterson or Ward in that formation, the offense loses some firepower in a hurry.

[Llamaguy]

Now for the rest of the story:

My comment in the 3rd quarter was, "BC has been the most penalized team in the ODAC for 5 years, W&L now will see what its like to be the front runner." I have claimed quite a few questionable calls, or non calls, guess it goes with the territory of being an ODAC frontrunner. It was nice seeing the shoe on the other foot though. Now I'm not the only one who has Wined!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

True, BC did run all over W&L, especially in the 2nd quarter.  But the offense didn't help out the defense at all, leaving the defense on the field most of the day with the inability to consistently move the ball.  And in a few short-yardage scenarios.

Ward didn't play at all after the 1st quarter and was pacing the sideline presumably to loosen up an injury he suffered.  IMO, W&L was smart to keep him out after the score was 20-0.  Stitterson didn't even put his helmet on all game.

And it's not that W&L misses Stitterson because of his 3-yards a carry.  Despite not achieving monumental success with the run, the formation with Stitterson as the "motion-receiver/running-back" sets up a lot of the other things W&L does on offense.  Without the threat of a Stitterson or Ward in that formation, the offense loses some firepower in a hurry.

I'm sure having those two out kept you all from doing what you'd like, but welcome to not being deep team.  You'll have a tough time in the playoffs being one-deep.  I noticed on your depth chart (in our game day program) that the same freshman was your back-up at every defensive lineman position.  Not good that you have only four DLs playing in a game.

I think Sitterson, along with Guilford's Vogelbach, have hit their "sophomore slumps."  Sitterson isn't putting up the same numners as TB/WR/KR/PR as he did last season, and Vogelbach has a whoping 24 interceptions to his 25 touchdowns.  Eww.

[Llamaguy]

And it's not that W&L misses Stitterson because of his 3-yards a carry.  Despite not achieving monumental success with the run, the formation with Stitterson as the "motion-receiver/running-back" sets up a lot of the other things W&L does on offense.  Without the threat of a Stitterson or Ward in that formation, the offense loses some firepower in a hurry.

I would contend that the weather played more into the W&L loss. Sitterson or no Sitterson, BC has never had problems stopping W&L's, Smoke and mirrors trickery in the backfield. It has been the passing game getting those guys in space that has hurt us in the past. Today the passing game was non-existent short of a 60 yrd play. I think the weather and pressure on the QB had a lot to do with that. IMO

[callme6]

Way to go BC!

[Llamaguy]

Varner picked off for the second time, as the game is all but over. Bridgewater threatening again with 3:00 mins left and leading 20-8.

The only thing worse than having to hear this thrashing, is having to listen to W and L's announcer Doug Chase. Impossible to figure out what is going on during individual plays, as he continues to talk about the most ridiculous and irrelevant topics.

After the most recent interception, in which I have no idea how it happened, or what Varner was trying to do with the ball, the announcer spends 2 mins discussing how he hopes he can see a rainbow with the rain pouring down....freaking ridiculous.

Copied from today's ODAC in game Updates, Freaking Hilarious!!

[Snakehandler]

Listening to the BC postgame interview with Clark they were talking about Guilford using an ineligible player earlier in the year.  Anyone know the scoop on this?  From the interview, it appears that Guilford won't have to forfit any games. 

Here is what I know:

We are getting screwed.

When a team uses an ineligible player in a game, they normally have to forfeit the games the player plays in, whether the team knows about the rules violation or not.  Shenandoah had to forfeit last year, when they used an ineligible player against Catholic.
The player (#15) had 6 tackles against us. So he did contribute.
Step up to the plate Mr. Bankston and make this thing right.  Its not too late.

[Llamaguy]

Listening to the BC postgame interview with Clark they were talking about Guilford using an ineligible player earlier in the year.  Anyone know the scoop on this?  From the interview, it appears that Guilford won't have to forfit any games. 

Here is what I know:

We are getting screwed.

When a team uses an ineligible player in a game, they normally have to forfeit the games the player plays in, whether the team knows about the rules violation or not.  Shenandoah had to forfeit last year, when they used an ineligible player against Catholic.
The player (#15) had 6 tackles against us. So he did contribute.
Step up to the plate Mr. Bankston and make this thing right.  Its not too late.

The ODAC Conference may not be as black and white as the USAC. Hell if I were Greensboro who he started against and broke up a 4th and 7 pass at Guilford's 10 yardline in 2nd half I'd be pissed. And it took Emory & Henry to turn him in. Hmmmmm. Sounds a little suspect to me. Fuzzy transfering?

[K-Mack]

- As far as the rest of the ODAC, I'm suprised to see HSC at 0-2.  To me, Guilford is still Guilford until they prove otherwise.  They have a nice quarterback but I don't seem them as being tough enough, experienced enough, or balanced enough to compete with us in a big-game setting.  Of course, there was a gime when the same could have been said about bridgewater.  I agree with kid that, for now, W&L still shapes up to be our toughest test.  I will be interested to see how the Guilford-HSC game unfolds this weekend.  Emory, RMC, and CUA all look to be non-factors again.  

Oops, miz ... that analysis is looking about as good as my beloved Jackets' chances at an ODAC win this year.

Faithful ODAC observers, let me know if I have this right. Reposted from the Daily Dose:

Bridgewater has no chance as an at-large.

W&L and E&H will play for the ODAC AQ next week, basically.

If W&L (4-1 in ODAC now) beats E&H, they finish 5-1 in league play and win the AQ.

If E&H (3-1 in ODAC play right now) beats W&L, they would have to lose to Guilford to finish 4-2 in league play. They hold the tiebreakers over Bridgewater and W&L, who would also be 4-2.

Hampden-Sydney is 3-2 in league play with the R-MC game left, and Guilford is 2-2 with a home game against CUA and a road finale at E&H.

A four-way tie is possible if R-MC beats H-SC and Guilford beats E&H and CUA.

A five-way tie is possible if H-SC beats R-MC and Guilford beats E&H and CUA.

In both of those scenarios, E&H would have to beat W&L next week and Bridgewater would to beat both R-MC and Catholic.

As for who would take the AQ in four- and five-way scenarios, I would check the ODAC board for speculation.

But no ODAC team will sniff at at-large bid in any way, shape or form this season.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm sure nobody on this board -- with the possible exception of Matt B. -- truly knows the entire situation with the Guilford player. Perhaps we should leave decisions in the hands of people who have information.