FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[K-Mack]

Check that.  Today's E&H win keeps BC from getting the ODAC bid to the playoffs.  There's is still a (very small) chance we finish 8-2 and get an at-large.

You would need an inordinate number of unlikely losses to go down, and if I had to start looking at 2-loss teams, there are going to be some in New York, one in Ohio, one in Iowa that may compare favorably to Bridgewater. Name recognition and past playoff success are not a criteria.

Crying about an ineligible seems to be grasping at straws, my friends. I love to see the ODAC when it's up and I love to see a strong Bridgewater or whoever represent us in the playoffs, but that ineligible player crap and complaining about officials ... I haven't read up on it, but from here in Texas it stinks. It looks real weak.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Does Guilford win both tie scenarios? I have not had time to check.

I will see what I can find out about the ineligible player situation. My guess is that if nothing is being done it's because there wasn't a violation, or it can't be proven ... but hey, call me crazy.

[Josh Bowerman]

Hope you guys enjoyed Texas--and hope that you got to Z Tejas on 6th Street whilst you were in Austin!

[pakownr97]

I'm sure nobody on this board -- with the possible exception of Matt B. -- truly knows the entire situation with the Guilford player. Perhaps we should leave decisions in the hands of people who have information.

But Pat,

Isn't that what this board is about?  If they won't release the information to the public, are we not expected to speculate about it?

[pakownr97]

Congratulations to the Bridgewater Eagles seniors on today's win.  Nice to win your last game at Jopson.

[Llamaguy]

I'm sure nobody on this board -- with the possible exception of Matt B. -- truly knows the entire situation with the Guilford player. Perhaps we should leave decisions in the hands of people who have information.

But Pat,

Isn't that what this board is about?  If they won't release the information to the public, are we not expected to speculated about it?

No its BIG BROTHER doing the politically correct thing. Can you just put my karma back to ZERO please. What a joke. Are you mad that D3football didn't break the story?

And for the record I have some firsthand information but then again I just get on here and mouth off and never research anything I say.
Just pointing out that Shenadoah handled it the right way in 2005.
I could care less if they give BC the win, just pointing out that a possible ODAC Champion who played with an Ineligible player is a little much. I'll be at a playoff game and the Stagg regardless of who makes the playoffs.

[pakownr97]

Check that.  Today's E&H win keeps BC from getting the ODAC bid to the playoffs.  There's is still a (very small) chance we finish 8-2 and get an at-large.

You would need an inordinate number of unlikely losses to go down, and if I had to start looking at 2-loss teams, there are going to be some in New York, one in Ohio, one in Iowa that may compare favorably to Bridgewater. Name recognition and past playoff success are not a criteria.

Crying about an ineligible seems to be grasping at straws, my friends. I love to see the ODAC when it's up and I love to see a strong Bridgewater or whoever represent us in the playoffs, but that ineligible player crap and complaining about officials ... I haven't read up on it, but from here in Texas it stinks. It looks real weak.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Does Guilford win both tie scenarios? I have not had time to check.

I will see what I can find out about the ineligible player situation. My guess is that if nothing is being done it's because there wasn't a violation, or it can't be proven ... but hey, call me crazy.

For the sake of Hasanova, a Guilford alum who has been quiet the last few days, I hope you are correct, Kevin.  No one wants to see another school's reputation tarnished by a rules infraction, especially one within our own conference.  I know nothing about this situation except what I have read here the last few minutes, but I think the authorities should find out what happened and act quickly.  

[miz]

- As far as the rest of the ODAC, I'm suprised to see HSC at 0-2.  To me, Guilford is still Guilford until they prove otherwise.  They have a nice quarterback but I don't seem them as being tough enough, experienced enough, or balanced enough to compete with us in a big-game setting.  Of course, there was a gime when the same could have been said about bridgewater.  I agree with kid that, for now, W&L still shapes up to be our toughest test.  I will be interested to see how the Guilford-HSC game unfolds this weekend.  Emory, RMC, and CUA all look to be non-factors again.  

Oops, miz ... that analysis is looking about as good as my beloved Jackets' chances at an ODAC win this year.

All right "K-Mack", you let me know who had EHC beating BC and I'll personally send each of them a prize.....

If you disagreed with the analysis, you should have done so on September 22nd.  Anybody can play monday-morning quarterback after the fact.  

But, to your point, I was wrong.  My "analysis" was way off.  The EHC game totally hit me by suprise.  Hell, I still can't believe it.  So good work pointing that out.  I wonder how many years you've been waiting for that chance?  

So "K-Mack" (I have to giggle every time I write that), see you in Ashland Saturday???
 

[Llamaguy]

I will see what I can find out about the ineligible player situation. My guess is that if nothing is being done it's because there wasn't a violation, or it can't be proven ... but hey, call me crazy.

Thank You Kmack! Matt obviously has said nothing because he knows its not his place to break the news. Regardless of how you view it, it is news worthy and quite a story to report once you get the particulars. I'm not bashing Guilford for what happened, just wondered how it could slip through the cracks for 3/4 of a season and what are the Commisoner's reasons for his decision. We will all await what you findout and report.

[pakownr97]

Miz,

He's gonna point out that Pat Cummings picked EHC over BC.

[Llamaguy]

Miz,

He's gonna point out that Pat Cummings picked EHC over BC.

But not on September 22, 2006. 

[Josh Bowerman]

Llama, without wanting to even stir this pot in the least, I can tell you that this same scenario has happened before.  Newsworthy it may be, but I can tell you from experience, the fewer comments and conjectures offered on the subject by anyone in here, the better of we'll all be.  

[pakownr97]

Miz,

He's gonna point out that Pat Cummings picked EHC over BC.

But not on September 22, 2006. 

Good point, even Skoaltrain's Grandpappy, the E & H Dad, didn' t predict that one in September!

[hasanova]

I just got back online after being on the road for a few hours, so I'm quite dismayed to read some of the recent discussion.  Guilford College has a stellar reputation - I started to say impeccable, but I don't think anyone is perfect.  You don't win less than 300 games in 100 years by breaking the rules.    As far as I know, the school, its staff, its players, its fans - and, I might add, its alumni - all want to win fairly and with honor or not at all.  I know I do.  I have only the vaguest idea who you're talking about from some of the hints that have been dropped and I certainly don't know what you're talking about, but if there's a problem, I'm sure it will be dealt with properly.  Honor and sense of fair play demand it.  It does sadden me, however, if someone insinuates that a loss must be blamed on an as yet unsubstantiated rumor.  If an alleged ineligible player's play directly contributed to game-changing events, that's one thing.  If a team was just flat out beaten no matter who was on the field, that's another matter altogether.   If there's something to this, let it take the proper course.  If there isn't, let it go.  Peace  

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

But no ODAC team [a la Bridgewater] will sniff at at-large bid in any way, shape or form this season.

Welp folks, you heard it directly from a NCAA selection committee member himself.  Oh wait, "K-Mack" is just a D3football.com columnist?!  Hmm, then why the usage of absolutes?

Keith - For the record, I believe I'm the only one on the ODAC board (and my web site's blog) that's even mentioning a chance (albeit a very small one) of BC earning an at-large.  So I take your comments personally.  It's one thing to correct misinformed people (or in this case, just me), but it more seems like you're taking pleasure in stifling the small hope of BC earning an at-large.

From a Daily News-Record article Oct. 25;

Wayne Burrows, the NCAA's director of championships, said Bridgewater hasn't been completely eliminated from at-large consideration.

I think I'll take his opinion over yours in this case.

[Llamaguy]

Llama, without wanting to even stir this pot in the least, I can tell you that this same scenario has happened before.  Newsworthy it may be, but I can tell you from experience, the fewer comments and conjectures offered on the subject by anyone in here, the better of we'll all be.  

Absolutely agree Josh. I'll not make another comment until The ODAC Commisioner or Keith reports on the facts. Regardless of what I know, its conjecture until one of these official folks put it in black and white.

I again will go on record that I don't fault Guilford College, their coaches, fans, Alumni, and Hasanova. They showed me more hospitality than anyother D3 school I've been too. Just want everyone to come clean with the facts and explain how all schools keep from it happening again.