FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[miz]

Sorry if that crushes dreams, but you don't want to be living on false hopes, do you?

You're unreal.  I'm done talking with you.

Wow. Reality hurting a little today.

Yes, the reality hurts for us BC fans.  No doubt, it sucks.  We haven't been here for a while and we don't like it. 

But it doesn't help that your collegue seems to have a personal agenda to come on here and stir the pot.  I'm done talking to him too.  I realize I posted one 3rd grade response to him last night, so I'll give him the one 3rd grade response to my response.  But factor that out and go back and read the babbling garbage he posted last night.  He's a journalist?

[algernon]

What would be interesting would be how the ODAC would determine who gets the automatic bid to the playoffs.  The conference manual says they would then go to a five-point tiebreaker ... but I believe using that leaves us with everyone tied again.  So we then use the "Rose Bowl" rule which awards the automatic bid to the team who has not appeared in the NCAA Division III playoffs most recently.  Both GC and W&L have never been.

I'm not sure how they would decide between the Quakers and Generals.  Perhaps the head-to-head between those two schools?

Yes ... the Generals would get the AQ for that reason, that they beat the Quakers.

I've looked at all possible scenarios and the Generals or Wasps win all of the tie-breakers except for one .... the one that I outlined yesterday, where W&L, E&H, BC, and Guilford are all tied with a 4-2 record at the end of the season.  However, I don't think it's very likely that all 6 games will fall the way that they would have to ..... especially that HSC will lose to RMC.

The Tigers' overall record is not that great, at 3-5 .... but they've improved over the course of the season, losing by only 1 point to Dickinson (7-1) yesterday.  They have a good chance of beating Johns Hopkins (3-5) and RMC (2-6) and finishing 5-5 for the season.  It would be nice to see them in a tie with a 4-2 record for the ODAC championship, even though they -- like Bridgewater -- have no shot at the AQ.

[Llamaguy]

Sorry if that crushes dreams, but you don't want to be living on false hopes, do you?

You're unreal.  I'm done talking with you.

Wow. Reality hurting a little today.

Toche.... Mr. Administrator!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Sorry if that crushes dreams, but you don't want to be living on false hopes, do you?

You're unreal.  I'm done talking with you.

Wow. Reality hurting a little today.

Reality hit when we went to overtime against a (now 2-5) Ferrum team.  Reality was revisited when we lost two conference games in a row.  I've realized our chances for the playoffs were nearly shot following the Emory & Henry loss.  I've been pretty accepting of the fact that BC will more than likely be sitting home come Nov. 18.  You or Keith didn't teach me anything new.

Let me emphasize it's your approaches that really suck.  Clearly we're disappointed at our team's performance, which has led to our lack of chance at the postseason.  For you and Keith to come on here with your "dreams are dashed" and "reality hurting" talk is not appreciated - thus why miz says you came on here and stirred a pot.

Sure, deep down we might be sensitive, but I suppose we expect two of the main players of D3football.com to realize that and tone down your already obvious message.  I guess we are expecting too much from "tell-it-like-it-is" fellas.

[Llamaguy]

You -- especially you -- should watch whose reputations you are calling into question. And that actually goes more for the person who is questioning Brad Bankston's integrity than mine -- I know it comes with the territory and I'm OK with it. But Matt, you know you wouldn't appreciate that happening to you given all the time and effort you put into BridgewaterFootball.com for little reward other than the love you get for doing it. Don't be a hypocrite.

K-mack I would assume you are refering to me so I'll pony-up my beef.

1) Check my posts, I have never said Bridgewater should receive the forfeit and neither have any of the coaches.

2) I did point out that the school with the issue would be Greensboro where the kid DID have an impact on the outcome of the game. Maybe it isn't Bankston's call but he could atleast have one of his staffers release information as to how everyone came to their decision.
I question the call, regerdless of where it came from based on the precident set by Shenandoah and the USAC last year. If that didn't involve the Comissioner, or its not his call then fine I appologize, but he needs to step up and make a statment.

Here is the link to a Winchester Star Article from 2005:

http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/051010/Sports_su.asp

You may have to regisiter to read it.

The issue in question and I will paraphrase, is the part of the article that mentions, According to the NCAA, the penalties involved in the use of an ineligible student-athlete include declaring the student-athlete in question ineligible for further competition AND forfeiting any contests in which the student-athlete participated.
Maybe there is room for inturpretation. If the above statement said "can include forfeiting any contests..." then that is fine just come out and say that. All I have is this hometown newspaper for Shenandoah and they made it sound as if it was black and white and there was no choice in the matter.

So in a nut-shell, I guess I'm more questioning Mr. Bankston's press release skills than his Comissoner skills since the facts regarding the ODAC's stance and the NCAA's stance on how it was handled have NOT been released.

[hasanova]

Just a statistical oddity - after today's RMC game, Josh Vogelbach became Guilford's career passing leader with 6248 yards.  He's played 18 games and he's already surpassed guys who played 40.  lol  On a side note, he may also already be the career interceptions leader.  

Partlow was like that for R-MC too. He was healthy for about a season and a half, I think, and passed Sidney Chappell.

Sometimes when an offense is ultra-prolific at a school that has had scant years of ultra-prolificness, it doesn't take long to set the school records.

Is this offense really better than the Santes Beatty-Dan Strelkauskas/David Heggie/Junior Lord/William Rochelle years?

No, I personally don't think it's better.  I saw those teams also.   The current style is just way over the top skewed toward the passing game, although I've seen that slow some since the BC game.  Vogelbach has got to lower the number of interceptions!  I know it's your alma mater, Keith, but if RMC was any good offensively they should have turned 5 picks, often deep in GC territory, into more than 2 FGs.  A much better offensive team would have made us pay big time!  I'm just presenting the facts and not getting too excited about it.  I am excited, however, that we're 5-3 at this juncture in the season when we've historically been 1-7 or 2-6.     

[Pat Coleman]

Matt,

I've read your posts both before and after sleeping on them and I just don't get it. You want us to sugar-coat it for you? Sorry. I don't really think my approach has changed in the past eight years and Keith's hasn't really either. We tell it like it is. Bridgewater just hasn't really had to deal with bad news in a while to read it like it is. Don't kill the messenger.

Sure, deep down we might be sensitive, but I suppose we expect two of the main players of D3football.com to realize that and tone down your already obvious message.  I guess we are expecting too much from "tell-it-like-it-is" fellas.

Unfortunately, the sensitivity doesn't seem to be that deep down. 

[algernon]

To me, it looks like the chance of Washington and Lee making the NCAAs is about 65%, the chance of Emory & Henry making the NCAAs is about 30%, the chance of Guilford making the playoffs is about 5%, and the chance of Bridgewater making the playoffs is somewhere between .1% and 1% .... stranger things have happened, so you have to give an 8-2 Eagle team 1 chance out of a 1000 .... or maybe as good as 1 out of a 100. 

[Llamaguy]

I'm just a poster and a friend, but this site has a long way to go in becoming "The D3 Leader" if it continues to beatdown one of its most knowledgeable posters and even a contributor to the official site.
A true journalist would have posted part A of the last post, Part B is you bringing the Colin Cowherd approach to your site. Always have to finish with a smart--- comment and not leave well enough alone.  Looking for the shock value I guess.

[EHCPride]

It's amazing to me that nobody has picked up on my cryptic message from two weeks ago after GC beat BC.  And that's all I'll say on the issue.

[Ron Boerger]

I'm just a poster and a friend, but this site has a long way to go in becoming "The D3 Leader" if it continues to beatdown one of its most knowledgeable posters and even a contributor to the official site.
A true journalist would have posted part A of the last post, Part B is you bringing the Colin Cowherd approach to your site. Always have to finish with a smart--- comment and not leave well enough alone.  Looking for the shock value I guess.

Llama,  here's the problem as I see it, and remember that I don't have an official connection to the site any more.

If folks expect professionalism, they also have to exhibit it.  What I've seen is an escalating slamfest and quite frankly the initial post from Keith didn't warrant the replies he's since gotten from some of y'all.  Also complicating the matter is an apparent willingness to read the absolute worst into the comments Keith and now Pat have made.  Yeah, they can be blunt, but when they have been blunt on other boards, there's generally a good reason.  Consider that the same could very well be the case here.  Guess what ... there are no "true journalists" given D3 the coverage it deserves.  True journalists are paid a living wage, or some facsimile thereof.  Guys like Pat and Keith do it for an occasional plane trip to a great game and maybe a few bucks on the side, insults like that saying their not "true journalists," calling their posts "garbage," etc don't make the "job" any easier.  The hundreds of hours (maybe more) they put into this each season give them the right to be a little touchy when people call their professionalism into question. 

D3Football.com has given BC great support over the years, and vice versa.  It would be a shame for the respect both communities have had for each other to go by the wayside because of this pissing contest.   That's what it is at this point. 

$0.02 from someone whose team also faces the possibility of its first absence from this postseason given that its QB went down with a broken leg yesterday and faces its toughest game of the year on the road in two weeks.   Good luck to everyone the rest of the way and I hope calmer heads will prevail.  Go outside, enjoy the fall (hopefully your weather is as nice as what we are seeing in TX these days), and relax a bit.    

[Jacketlawyer]

Vogelbach has got to lower the number of interceptions!  I know it's your alma mater, Keith, but if RMC was any good offensively they should have turned 5 picks, often deep in GC territory, into more than 2 FGs.  A much better offensive team would have made us pay big time!   

I agree with you, Hasanova  Not turning those 5 picks into points made me want to ram my head into the nearest wall!!   Still, the Macon defense was very impressive. 

K-Mack, our inability to find the endzone made me wish for Partlow and Chappell big time.

[muchacho]

Pass me the kleenex. All this PC sensitivity BS has brought some tears to my eyes.

Looking ahead to next week's potential title game.  

During the month of October these two teams have had 3 common opponents, with both teams going 2-1 over that stretch.

W&L
CUA - 28-0
HSC - 28-6
BC - 8-27

E&H
CUA - 31-27
HSC - 21-24
BC - 21-17

Each of the Generals games has been lopsided, with 2 going in their favor. However, the Wasps have been consistent.  Margin of victory has been less than a touchdown in each game.
Another thing to look at though is the trend. The Wasps have not lost since narrowly losing to EHC on October 7th. However, the Generals' lone conference set back came this weekend with several of their stars unable to contribute from what I've heard on this board. It seems to me that W&L's complete reversal in their results this past week may be due to losing some of their offensive weapons. EHC might be playing W&L at just the right time.
Although W&L is the home team this week, I think EHC is looking like the team to beat. The Wasps showed what they were capable of by winning at Jopson, so I don't think they will have any problems marching up to Lexington and getting the job done.
This game should be a great time for anybody who can get there to see it. Its great to see the ODAC coming down to the final two weeks of the year. I'm sorry Bridgewater, but you haven't made it exciting down the stretch since 2000 at Catholic.

[hasanova]

Vogelbach has got to lower the number of interceptions!  I know it's your alma mater, Keith, but if RMC was any good offensively they should have turned 5 picks, often deep in GC territory, into more than 2 FGs.  A much better offensive team would have made us pay big time!   

I agree with you, Hasanova  Not turning those 5 picks into points made me want to ram my head into the nearest wall!!   Still, the Macon defense was very impressive. 

K-Mack, our inability to find the endzone made me wish for Partlow and Chappell big time.

Hey, Jacketlawyer.  I was wondering what you were thinking during the game.  Even though GC gave five picks to the Jackets, RMC's passing stats (with two QB's) sounded very, very anemic.  I'm sorry I didn't get to go to Ashland yesterday, but we discussed the reason why earlier.  I listened on a laptop yesterday afternoon after my commitment was over in the morning and then drove home last night.  With luck, you and I will get together at the basketball game in January - hope so!   

[abnrgr]

Well I guess I am glad I left my feelings in the car. I have not seen this type of blood in the water.....well......ever.

IF the GC-Q boys had a "bad one" in there it was not intentional. Their egalitarian sensibilites would not allow it. (no offense Hasa). I would believe the player in question ran on the field before I believed GC-Q allowed this to happen. I've been on the campus too much to believe it.

But as with any political race the bad comes out at the end when it influences the most, when the race is superbly close.

Close is in frags and horse shoes........