FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[xbcdad]

There once was a battle so Schlep-tic
It made all our ulcers go peptic
The stink, it still lingers
From mud-slinging fingers
It's not just the gutter, it's septic!  

Like the EH dad...neither "have I a dog in this fight" but that right there is funny

[hasanova]

There once was a battle so Schlep-tic
It made all our ulcers go peptic
The stink, it still lingers
From mud-slinging fingers
It's not just the gutter, it's septic!  

Like the EH dad...neither "have I a dog in this fight" but that right there is funny

Thanks.  I asked my dog and he thought it was kind of funny, too. 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

K-Mack and I are cool (I hope).

Message board banter will never get in a way of an acquaintance or friendship.  I have nothing but respect for what Keith, Pat Co. and Pat Cu. do for Division III football - I simply wasn't man (or kid) enough to admit my sensitivity towards BC having a down year got in the way of what Keith was trying to say (or ask).

Sorry to those who had to endure my annual war-of-words with a D3football.com staffer.   At least one of the beauties of message boards is that you can smite and scroll on by!  But still, my apologies.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] I am somewhat bias when it comes to E&H football.

[...] I have seen Woods make more big plays and critical fourth down conversions this year that have kept E&H in the game. For these reasons I believe he should be given the nod for offensive POTY award.

Defensive POTY Marshall Doss.........intensity,heart, defensive team leader, comes ready to play every game.

Coach of the Year.....This is a no brainer. Monty has had his players buy into and believe in his system and all the hard work is paying off.

I'm pretty sure you didn't need to admit the former after you said the latter.

C'mon, I'll give you Coach Montgomery ... but Woods as Offensive POTY?  Ehh.  Barnette has put up some sick numbers this year even with sharing the load with Rushing, Joyner, etc.

Doss, IMO, is definitely on the short list for Defensive POTY.  I was really impressed with him during the EHC-BC game.  He was all over the place, not to mention a huge frame.  I think Catholic's Bill Gross rounds out the top three POTY candidates.  You can't argue against his numbers (leads ODAC in tackles and TFL ... also second in FF).

Once again, it's going to be tough for Bridgewater players to earn first team accolades.  On offense, we are run heavy with three backs carrying the load (including Highfill) - and when we do pass the ball, there are five receivers averaging between 15 and 50 yards a game.  On the defense, the same thing.  We rotate eight defensive lineman during the course of a game, while seven linebackers and seven defensive backs will see the field during a contest.  Keeps them fresh, but lowers their stat totals.

BC players (minus OLs) that I do think have a chance at first team honors are;

RB Phillip Carter (76.9 ypg, 6.3 ypc, 7 TDs)
PK Luke Taylor (6-for-9 FGs, 28-for-30 PATs)
LB Craig Smith (59 total tackles)
DL David Clements (27 total tackles, 5.0 total sacks)
DB Josh Knight (22 total tackles, 5 PBUs, 3 INTs)

Other than that, Jeff Highfill (QB), Winston Young (RB), Brandon Copeland (WR), Brandon Borst (LB) and Earl Chaptman (DB) have a chance, but their stats won't compare well against the rest of the ODAC.

[hasanova]

kid and kmack, I think everyone on this board has great respect for you and all the d3 staff.  We appreciate what you do for our collective passion.  We were simply partly amused and, frankly, somewhat mystified by what seemed like a real tiff.  Keep posting about d3 football and we'll keep reading.

kid, in your defense, we all understand it's difficult for you and other passionate Bridgewater boosters to realize that BC football is probably not going to be playing this year after November 11.  To me, that's a testament to superlative coaches, players and fans and to the prolonged excellence of the program.  Winners expect to win.  

Keith, in your defense, however, I think the rest of us more impartial observers saw what you were trying to say; namely, that BC football is still good, but maybe not as good as in the past and everyone else has also gotten better.  As a statistics professor once instructed me, BC going to the 2006 playoffs is technically possible, it just isn't realistically probable.  Keith, I think that's all you were trying to say.

For me, an apology was not necessary, but it is accepted.  It's time for the next real football-related topic.    

[narch]

Perhaps everything is only "black and white," so I appreciate your stance on the subject.  Personally, I see the world with a lot of "gray" and I am not just saying that because this case involves my alma mater.  I would say that regardless of who was involved.  I'm also not saying one of us is wrong and the other is right, I'm just saying we may differ in our opinion.  In my mind, I would like to see the NCAA, the conferences and the commissioners have the latitude to handle each situation on a case-by-case basis based on the merits.  If we are only going to follow a "black and white" book, then you don't even need a human - and may I say, rational thinking - commissioner.   Just robotically look it up in the book!

'nova - i clearly don't see "everything" as black-and-white...like you, i realize there is a lot of gray - however, ineligible is ineligible...i don't see degrees of ineligibility - you used some interesting analogies in your original post, so i'll give you one

about a year ago i got a $300 ticket for littering...i threw a banana peel out of the window of my vehicle - i had NO IDEA that throwing food out of a vehicle was against the law...to me, that banana peel would take about 2-3 days to decompose...it's organic, natural material, not trash - in my mind it was not the same as throwing an empty bottle or even a cigarette butt out the window, which are both clearly littering and happen every day on our highways

guess what...nc law says ANYTHING you throw out of the window of a motor vehicle is litter...there are no degrees of litter, it's all lumped into the same category - the ticket stood and i had to fork over a $300 fine and court costs

as the state of nc views littering, i don't see the gray in eligibility issues...either you're eligible or your not, and if a school like su or gc unknowingly uses an ineligible player (and i don't think for a moment that either school knew beforehand that these players were ineligible), the punishment should be consistent...at this juncture, that doesn't appear to be the case - i think a logical question is why?

i have read the article on the su situation last year numerous times, and i didn't read anything that gives conclusive evidence that the sanctions were self-imposed or imposed by the conference...in fact, the article has the following statement, which leads me to believe this was an ncaa decision, but even that is unclear:

"According to the NCAA, the penalties involved in the use of an ineligible student-athlete include declaring the student-athlete in question ineligible for further competition and forfeiting any contests in which the student-athlete participated. "

i may have missed it, but has anyone found the ncaa bylaw that addresses this situation?  i've been looking for it, but honestly, haven't found anything yet

[xbcdad]

Thanks Matt (and Keith) the world of electronic communication is very difficult in terms of conveying intent, feelings, and meaning.

I have nothing but respect for what Keith, Pat Co. and Pat Cu. do for Division III football -

From the sidelines we knew that was the case all along that made it difficult to watch. But given some of the venom and juvenille posts in the old days this was almost civil.
"OK, Peace out"

[Olinemom]

Kid, Pat, Llama and Kmack, big group hug.

Yo, my wallet is missing.

(gets fired)

It's enough already, Kid and K-Mack.  

Thanks, Mom.

Hey ODAC Folks...thoughts on the 4pm Stagg Bowl Kickoff time and how this impacts Stone Station tailgating?

Now here's something worth talking about.

Although I may not be invited to Stone Station this year.  

You certainly are!!  It's going to be a good time, especially since the game doesn't start until 4 pm.  All the more time to enjoy the fan bases and meet more d3football.com fans!!  I expect you to come and eat your share!!

[Olinemom]

I don't want WLU78 knocking me down so let me correct my previous post. 

too should have been "two."

That does make one wonder, "too females"? 

Hmmmmmmm..........maybe Olinemom can explain that!!!

Poor Skoal is spelling challenged, but as I have seen 2 women fighting, I know what he meant and it isn't pretty.  That's probably why they don't let women play football.   Troy Palomalu (sp) wouldn't have a hair left on his head, if you get my drift, just as an example.

[CBE]

I just read the DNR article regarding the ineligible player.  Coach Monty indicated the kid flunked out of E&H last October.  Questions....If a student transfers/enrolls at another school, wouldn't the school request transcripts from any previous schools attended?  Would a "flunk out" be included?  Does an admissions office normally review history and inquire about any gaps in enrollment, the same as an employer would when interviewing a candidate?  How do the admission requirements of E&H compare to Guilford?  Just curious......

[K-Mack]

K-Mac,

Then why are you just now getting around to responding to a fight that I have not seen Matt post anything about since early Monday morning at the latest.  The rest of us on this board are trying to move on or at least discuss the Guilford case in light of the information that the DNR provided us with, but you simply will not let your fight with Matt die.  Can we please move on?

I don't check this board daily, today was the first time I saw several posts that my name was mentioned in.

Feel free to skip them and/or move on without me. You'll find my posts much less annoying if you choose not to read them.

As Matt said, he and I are fine.

It happens all the time on all kinds of boards, and experienced posters should know ... things get twisted, misunderstood and occasionally a little feisty, but what happens on the boards, stays on the boards. For sure.

xBCDad ... it's been a long time. If I'm not mistaken, you were one of the ODAC board originals.

[religion_major]

K-Mac,

Then why are you just now getting around to responding to a fight that I have not seen Matt post anything about since early Monday morning at the latest.  The rest of us on this board are trying to move on or at least discuss the Guilford case in light of the information that the DNR provided us with, but you simply will not let your fight with Matt die.  Can we please move on?

I don't check this board daily, today was the first time I saw several posts that my name was mentioned in.

Feel free to skip them and/or move on without me. You'll find my posts much less annoying if you choose not to read them.

As Matt said, he and I are fine.

It happens all the time on all kinds of boards, and experienced posters should know ... things get twisted, misunderstood and occasionally a little feisty, but what happens on the boards, stays on the boards. For sure.

xBCDad ... it's been a long time. If I'm not mistaken, you were one of the ODAC board originals.

It's ok.   

[Llamaguy]

I just read the DNR article regarding the ineligible player.  Coach Monty indicated the kid flunked out of E&H last October.  Questions....If a student transfers/enrolls at another school, wouldn't the school request transcripts from any previous schools attended?  Would a "flunk out" be included?  Does an admissions office normally review history and inquire about any gaps in enrollment, the same as an employer would when interviewing a candidate?  How do the admission requirements of E&H compare to Guilford?  Just curious......

My inturpretation CBE was that the kid didn't tell them he had ever went to college, thus he wasn't transfering. In essence he told them he took a year off after high school and was applying as an incoming Freshman. 

[K-Mack]

I just read the DNR article regarding the ineligible player.  Coach Monty indicated the kid flunked out of E&H last October.  Questions....If a student transfers/enrolls at another school, wouldn't the school request transcripts from any previous schools attended?  Would a "flunk out" be included?  Does an admissions office normally review history and inquire about any gaps in enrollment, the same as an employer would when interviewing a candidate?  How do the admission requirements of E&H compare to Guilford?  Just curious......

I'm curious about this too, how could they not know he had flunked out? The only think I can think of is that they didn't know it was an ODAC rule. But in that case he still would have had to have been eligible for enrollment after flunking out of another school, which seems odd.

In the past though, I can't think of a time when not knowing (I mean nobody knowingly plays an ineligible player) has been an acceptable defense.

I am getting very curious. There is a piece to this puzzle missing to make it all make sense to me.

One thing that is interesting ... It's not Brad Bankston's decision alone, it went through a review committee?

My inturpretation CBE was that the kid didn't tell them he had ever went to college, thus he wasn't transfering. In essence he told them he took a year off after high school and was applying as an incoming Freshman. 

That makes sense too. I was sort of getting around to that being my other theory, but my mind is cluttered this week.

That would also explain why Guilford couldn't be held responsible, if what they had in writing didn't indicate he had flunked out ... still hard to believe Guilford didn't know they played against him last year.

[Pat Coleman]

If a kid applies to your school as an incoming freshman, do you automatically investigate him to make sure he's not transferring? I can't say I would have.

Narch, if a kid applies to Methodist as an incoming freshman, do you automatically investigate him to make sure he's not actually a transfer? I wouldn't guess so.