FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Kickerdad:

I'm sure it does. Until this week I was unaware that these services were available.

[allsky7]

So when he shows up on Ferrum's roster next year he should be a Junior? 

The Ferrum folks may not like it, but I think that's pretty funny.    I suggest he change his name, however.  How about Chris Warren?  Yeah, that has a nice ring to it.

    Hey Hasa.....I'm a Ferrum grad and I take no offense. However, I think he needs to stay away from a football name like Chris Warren. Perhaps something like uh...let's see. How about Billy Wagner? Yeah...he should be able to stay under the radar screen with that one.  

[hasanova]

So when he shows up on Ferrum's roster next year he should be a Junior? 

The Ferrum folks may not like it, but I think that's pretty funny.    I suggest he change his name, however.  How about Chris Warren?  Yeah, that has a nice ring to it.

    Hey Hasa.....I'm a Ferrum grad and I take no offense. However, I think he needs to stay away from a football name like Chris Warren. Perhaps something like uh...let's see. How about Billy Wagner? Yeah...he should be able to stay under the radar screen with that one.  

Billy Wagner.  Bill Wagner.  Yes, I like it!  No one ever heard of Billy Wagner.  Well, at least not since the 9th inning of Game 6 in the NLCS.  Maybe the Mets should ask for a "do over." 

[GC1080]

Rich was inelegable because he had already missed aclass 10  before mid terms

Also he wasnt that much of a factor in any of the games...he got burnt in the Bridgewater game for a touchdown.

[Snakehandler]

Rich was inelegable because he had already missed aclass 10  before mid terms

Also he wasnt that much of a factor in any of the games...he got burnt in the Bridgewater game for a touchdown.

Is shown in exhibit A. Clearly the lack of Mr. Rich on the playing field would have led to decisive advantage to my beloved alma mater.  "No factor", I say nay!

[hasanova]

Rich was inelegable because he had already missed aclass 10  before mid terms

Also he wasnt that much of a factor in any of the games...he got burnt in the Bridgewater game for a touchdown.

GC1080, his ineligibility at Guilford may be partially due to missing 10 classes before mid-terms.  As a Guilford alumnus, I know the expectations the school, the coaches and the professors have, so that attendance record will clearly not "cut" it.   Guilford expects a lot of reading, writing and class participation, so he was digging a deep hole very quickly.  In this case, however, there certainly seems to be sufficient evidence that his ineligibility also - and more significantly from an athletic standpoint - involves his unreported (to GC), and academically failed, stint at E&H.

[Jacketlawyer]

Vogelbach has got to lower the number of interceptions!  I know it's your alma mater, Keith, but if RMC was any good offensively they should have turned 5 picks, often deep in GC territory, into more than 2 FGs.  A much better offensive team would have made us pay big time!   

I agree with you, Hasanova  Not turning those 5 picks into points made me want to ram my head into the nearest wall!!   Still, the Macon defense was very impressive. 

K-Mack, our inability to find the endzone made me wish for Partlow and Chappell big time.

JL,
You're a better man than me. At least you can go and watch.

Sounds like offense has been the issue lately, after it was defense in the Boone years. My personal opinion is that recruiting the mid-Atlantic and particularly Va. became much harder when CNU, Shenandoah and Averett joined the party, the same time Bridgewater and Hampden-Sydney began their rises to prominence. Since W&L, CUA and E&H have always recruited different types of kids and different areas, that leaves R-MC as the big recruiting loser over the years.

Although I was flipping through the '05 book last night for some Ted Keller/Stokely Fulton historical info for another story I am working on, and it looked like we had a nice freshman (now sophomore) class, and started getting back up into Maryland, Pa. and Jersey. We always had some talent from up that way when I played.

What's the deal with Waddell Howard? I did some search for something completely different a while back and discovered his name on a basketball prodigy message board saying "yeah, the guy ended up as a football player at some D3 Randolph something-or-other school in Va."

K-Mack--someone's got to!! 8)

I agree with your assessment on the new programs' effect on R-M's recruiting.  I began to worry about it a few years ago when the announcements were made that these schools were starting programs.  It would definitely affect R-M's recruiting Virginia players.  It seems to me I've seen quite a few players coming from GA and FL as well.  But still, I think R-M has enough selling points to get better local players.  But here, I move into speculation, which I don't like to do. . . . .

Although I can say this much with about 90% certainty, I don't think R-M recruits the western end of Virginia for football players like they used to.  I know of one local player here that wanted to play for R-M, and never got a phone call.  He went to H-S instead.. . . .

Speaking of programs, R-M didn't do one this year.  At the home opener, I was looking for one.  Due to the fact, I didn't purchase an '05 program, I don't know what to tell you about Mr. W. Howard. . .

I want to read that article on Keller/Fulton when you're done!!  Looking forward to it!

[hasanova]

Rich was inelegable because he had already missed aclass 10  before mid terms

Also he wasnt that much of a factor in any of the games...he got burnt in the Bridgewater game for a touchdown.

Is shown in exhibit A. Clearly the lack of Mr. Rich on the playing field would have led to decisive advantage to my beloved alma mater.  "No factor", I say nay!

To paraphrase a baseball saying, "throw it where they ain't!" 

On a field full of X's and O's
There's one rule a good "O" should know
Don't be perplexed
If you don't see an "X"
Just hit O's where no X can go!

[hasanova]

Obviously, some of our posters don't have a very good sense of humor.  Too bad.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I think it's time we put the Guilford ineligible player issue to rest.

I'm just as much guilty as anyone else for beating the dead horse, but in fairness to individuals (Dion Rich, Brad Bankston, etc.) and organizations (Guilford, the ODAC, etc.), I think we've just about talked the incident out.

The ODAC made what they felt is the best decision with the information they were presented.  Now, as much as I think it was healthy to have this discussion in a public forum, I do think we must respect and trust both Guilford and the ODAC.

Hopefully, and what has gotten lost in all this talk, Mr. Rich can have another chance somewhere.  For his sake, I hope he can work on his studies and one day make an impact - a positive one - for a college team.  If he's playing in games as a freshman for two different ball clubs, then he certainly has the athletic ability.  I wish him the best.

[GC1080]

Well in any way shape or form i think the situation helped GC since the defense has played their best games of the year the last two games. The offense needs to step it up (voglebach cant throw 5 picks).
It is possible he may not even play this week due to the hit at the end of the R-M game.

[Forma80]

I think it's time we put the Guilford ineligible player issue to rest.

I'm just as much guilty as anyone else for beating the dead horse, but in fairness to individuals (Dion Rich, Brad Bankston, etc.) and organizations (Guilford, the ODAC, etc.), I think we've just about talked the incident out.

The ODAC made what they felt is the best decision with the information they were presented.  Now, as much as I think it was healthy to have this discussion in a public forum, I do think we must respect and trust both Guilford and the ODAC.

Hopefully, and what has gotten lost in all this talk, Mr. Rich can have another chance somewhere.  For his sake, I hope he can work on his studies and one day make an impact - a positive one - for a college team.  If he's playing in games as a freshman for two different ball clubs, then he certainly has the athletic ability.  I wish him the best.

Don't want to beat a dead horse either, but I've been silent on this one, and before we let it go I think we need to establish some sort of accountability.

Guilford coaching staff and admissions department was clearly negligent. Do they not watch tapes, speak with coaches, parents, the player himself? Was the kid that good of a liar? Did the admissions staff not read letters of recommendation, transcripts, or notice that the kid left high school and went to another school. Normally a school takes the Social Security Number and runs a background check, does it not?

Athletics and collegiate institutions are supposed to teach individuals the skills and values to succeed in life. By holding no one accountable we are alienating the very reason for collegiate athletics. The ODAC, and Guilford specifically, need to take steps within their admissions and athletic department to make sure that they never let an incident like this occur to ensure the integrity of their university.

As a result of their current lack of integrity, they admitted a kid that did not attend 10 meetings of the same class before October! If they had done a lick of research, then possibly there would have been some red flags (i.e., flunking out of E and H.)

While Kid wishes the best for Mr. Rich, I do not. He clearly has no intention of making the best of his academic experience. He clearly has no integrity as he has lied in order to gain admission. I do not think he should be allowed to play collegiate athletics as he has embarrased a University, and nearly comprimised its entire season because of his selfishness.

[hasanova]

Forma80 - I respectfully take exception to some of your comments about Guilford.

[Snakehandler]

I'd like to see a poll -
Who has the ODAC's best team:

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I'd like to see a poll -
Who has the ODAC's best team:

I wonder who would receive the most votes?

75% of us are BC fans...

...hmm.

I went ahead and posted a poll for you.