FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[allsky7]

Speaking of H-SC...noticed the Tigers picked up Huntington and King's on their 2007 schedule. At least as far back as my memory goes, they have never played either of these two before.

Good morning, allsky!  Huntingdon's only had a program since 2003 and, as you'd expect, the Hawks took their lumps the first two years.  They won 13 games in 2005 and 2006, however, so they must be doing something right.  For recruiting, I guess it doesn't hurt to be one of the few DIII programs in their geographic region.   On another note, something in my memory bank told me they spell Huntingdon with a "d" and I looked it up to make sure.  I'm sure they see both spellings all the time.    Looks like King's went 6-5, 6-3 MAC, but got whipped pretty soundly by Kean, 37-0, in their finale on Nov. 18.  I'm still looking for you in Greensboro for a Guilford/HSC game!  If you want a friendly wager, the over and under will have to be at least 90!  lol

      hasa....darn....you got me!!  I always double check my spelling so I don't get red ink on my post!!  And just for the record (in case my HS English teacher is lurking out there. LOL) I do know how to spell it. Just a simple slip of the fingers. 
     I had forgotten that they were a new program. I did remember Maryville had a big season ending win over them in 05. Not familiar with King's.
     Hopefully, I can get down to G-boro for the H-S/GC game. I do plan to hit Salem for the ODAC  in Feb. Could be an outstanding tourn.

[theaprof]

Here is a link to another story about the Guilford incident--looking at the Quaker heritage and what that means--it includes info from the college, the coach, and others--interesting reading:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/30/guilford

[hasanova]

Speaking of H-SC...noticed the Tigers picked up Huntington and King's on their 2007 schedule. At least as far back as my memory goes, they have never played either of these two before.

Good morning, allsky!  Huntingdon's only had a program since 2003 and, as you'd expect, the Hawks took their lumps the first two years.  They won 13 games in 2005 and 2006, however, so they must be doing something right.  For recruiting, I guess it doesn't hurt to be one of the few DIII programs in their geographic region.   On another note, something in my memory bank told me they spell Huntingdon with a "d" and I looked it up to make sure.  I'm sure they see both spellings all the time.    Looks like King's went 6-5, 6-3 MAC, but got whipped pretty soundly by Kean, 37-0, in their finale on Nov. 18.  I'm still looking for you in Greensboro for a Guilford/HSC game!  If you want a friendly wager, the over and under will have to be at least 90!  lol

      hasa....darn....you got me!!  I always double check my spelling so I don't get red ink on my post!!  And just for the record (in case my HS English teacher is lurking out there. LOL) I do know how to spell it. Just a simple slip of the fingers. 
     I had forgotten that they were a new program. I did remember Maryville had a big season ending win over them in 05. Not familiar with King's.
     Hopefully, I can get down to G-boro for the H-S/GC game. I do plan to hit Salem for the ODAC  in Feb. Could be an outstanding tourn.

No problem, allsky.  My HS English teachers are probably still watching from wherever they landed in the afterlife.  The ladies probably got the better deal, but Mr. H, not so sure.  lol  All kidding aside, he was a good guy, but a stickler.  Hope to see you in Salem and next fall in Greensboro. 

[allsky7]

Here is a link to another story about the Guilford incident--looking at the Quaker heritage and what that means--it includes info from the college, the coach, and others--interesting reading:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/30/guilford

    Interesting article. Thought provoking questions and points about issues our country has struggled with for a long time.

   

[pakownr97]

Speaking of H-SC...noticed the Tigers picked up Huntington and King's on their 2007 schedule. At least as far back as my memory goes, they have never played either of these two before.

Good morning, allsky!  Huntingdon's only had a program since 2003 and, as you'd expect, the Hawks took their lumps the first two years.  They won 13 games in 2005 and 2006, however, so they must be doing something right.  For recruiting, I guess it doesn't hurt to be one of the few DIII programs in their geographic region.   On another note, something in my memory bank told me they spell Huntingdon with a "d" and I looked it up to make sure.  I'm sure they see both spellings all the time.    Looks like King's went 6-5, 6-3 MAC, but got whipped pretty soundly by Kean, 37-0, in their finale on Nov. 18.  I'm still looking for you in Greensboro for a Guilford/HSC game!  If you want a friendly wager, the over and under will have to be at least 90!  lol

      hasa....darn....you got me!!  I always double check my spelling so I don't get red ink on my post!!  And just for the record (in case my HS English teacher is lurking out there. LOL) I do know how to spell it. Just a simple slip of the fingers. 
     I had forgotten that they were a new program. I did remember Maryville had a big season ending win over them in 05. Not familiar with King's.
     Hopefully, I can get down to G-boro for the H-S/GC game. I do plan to hit Salem for the ODAC  in Feb. Could be an outstanding tourn.

Bridgewater played King's in the playoffs a few years back.  They had a hell of a defense.  I remember it as the best D BC played against.  I recall we were fortunate to win the game.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Bridgewater played King's in the playoffs a few years back.  They had a hell of a defense.  I remember it as the best D BC played against.  I recall we were fortunate to win the game.

I agree, pakownr97.  They had two All-American d-linemen that year, but I was equally as impressed with their linebackers.  Those were some big dudes!

[Pat Coleman]

That team might well have had the best defense I've ever seen play in person.

[Snakehandler]

lol,  Kiesel says in that article that everyone should have believed in the Quaker judiciary system and kept the issues "in house"  I reckon he does wish things would have been kept in house.

[hasanova]

Here is a link to another story about the Guilford incident--looking at the Quaker heritage and what that means--it includes info from the college, the coach, and others--interesting reading:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/30/guilford

Thanks for posting this, theaprof.  It was well written and thought provoking.  As a Guilford alumnus and former letterman, I thought it was well researched and generally fair.  It has even more validity for me since I personally know all the sources cited at Guilford.   I, too, went to Guilford because of what the college stands for, its high academic standards and its sense of community.  The broader college community, including its 14,000 or so alumni, will not let those ideals die.  The institution's synergy is powerful.  A karma and peace for you.

[WLU78]

From the aforementioned article:

"We should have practiced Quakerism instead of sensationalism," Kiesel adds. "I think the same thing that happened at Duke happened here."

KC Johnson, a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the City University of New York Graduate Center who has a blog devoted to the Duke case, says he is also struck by the similarities, though he cautions there seem to be a number of differences. "As far as I know, no one is denying that there was a fight. All sides are conceding that something did happen, that's a little different than Duke," says Johnson. But while Johnson generally praises the administration's "even-handed" official response, he questions what appears to be a rush to judgment by some on campus.

"One of the things I thought we would have seen from the Duke case is that the constituencies on campus that are inclined to rush to judgment and assume the worst in their own students might have said, 'OK, we need to pause and we need not to do what the people at Duke did.' That doesn't seem to have happened at Guilford," Johnson says.

These are the "high minded" intellectuals we send our children to for instruction.

Not to worry Hasa, they are on every campus in America, and some of them will even fabricate their own hate crimes if they can't find any nearby.

[hasanova]

From the aforementioned article:

"We should have practiced Quakerism instead of sensationalism," Kiesel adds. "I think the same thing that happened at Duke happened here."

KC Johnson, a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the City University of New York Graduate Center who has a blog devoted to the Duke case, says he is also struck by the similarities, though he cautions there seem to be a number of differences. "As far as I know, no one is denying that there was a fight. All sides are conceding that something did happen, that's a little different than Duke," says Johnson. But while Johnson generally praises the administration's "even-handed" official response, he questions what appears to be a rush to judgment by some on campus.

"One of the things I thought we would have seen from the Duke case is that the constituencies on campus that are inclined to rush to judgment and assume the worst in their own students might have said, 'OK, we need to pause and we need not to do what the people at Duke did.' That doesn't seem to have happened at Guilford," Johnson says.

These are the "high minded" intellectuals we send our children to for instruction.

Not to worry Hasa, they are on every campus in America, and some of them will even fabricate their own hate crimes if they can't find any nearby.

WLU78, thanks for your comments and best wishes.  While generally fair, I think Professor Johnson's comments are slightly off the mark.  I've had many conversations with people at Guilford close to the situation.  Lessons have been learned from the Duke experience.  As with any group of three thousand "diverse" people, there has been a minority quick to rush to judgment.  The consensus (and yes, I used this word deliberately for a Quaker college), however, is that we should not make hasty decisions and have an organized and equitable method (the college's well-designed judicial system) to ascertain the truth.  As someone who has been closely affiliated with Guilford College for 37 years, I have absolute confidence that the truth will be discovered, justice will be thoughtfully administered and the college will emerge a stronger, more introspective institution.  In my experience, it is not the "event" itself that defines the institution, but how they handle the aftermath.  I sincerely believe that to be true in this case as well.  Peace

[xbcdad]

Just heard this week that a local recruit who opted for DII rather than HSC or BC has decided to transfer to BC.  He Lead the valley district in rushing from the fullback spot and is a punishing runner. He should make a great compliment to the returning back field. As a freshman he was listed at 6' and 205. I understand he was red shirted and will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

I'd consider my source very reliable but outside of any official coaching staff. I expect the kid has the scoop but may not be able to report at this time.

[hasanova]

I just listened to the early local news in the Triad and they said the Greensboro Police Department has dropped "hate crime" charges in the Guilford College case because evidence from witness reports does not support the charge.  Misdemeanor assault charges are still under review and the college's judicial system can still find honor code violations, but this is, in my mind, a kernel of good news.

[abnrgr]

Hasa
As I bemoaned several posts ago not to rush to judgement I was concerned. It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

Anyway I have to say I am totally surprized by,no... I think "flabbergasted" is what Fred McMurry said in the "Caine Mutiny" that this has been handled semi even handed. I really expected a "jock lynching". Aside from the usual 1960's children still wishing a socialistic state to appear I think GC-Q has conducted themselves well. 

So they will always be known as the jocks who got in a fight. Put a star on their foreheads. 

Hear hear

[hasanova]

Hasa
As I bemoaned several posts ago not to rush to judgement I was concerned. It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

Anyway I have to say I am totally surprized by,no... I think "flabbergasted" is what Fred McMurry said in the "Caine Mutiny" that this has been handled semi even handed. I really expected a "jock lynching". Aside from the usual 1960's children still wishing a socialistic state to appear I think GC-Q has conducted themselves well. 

So they will always be known as the jocks who got in a fight. Put a star on their foreheads. 

Hear hear

Good morning, abnrgr.  Good to hear from you.  I saw the "Caine Mutiny" (and read the book) and it's one of my favorites, so I remember the story.  I'm also glad sanity is finding its way into this process.  Beer and Friday night and twenty years olds with testosterone do not necessarily add up to a "hate crime."  I've talked to a lot of people at GCQ and I think there will be some discipline (fighting is never condoned), but there will be fairness.  I hope so!