FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[allsky7]

Hasa
As I bemoaned several posts ago not to rush to judgement I was concerned. It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

Anyway I have to say I am totally surprized by,no... I think "flabbergasted" is what Fred McMurry said in the "Caine Mutiny" that this has been handled semi even handed. I really expected a "jock lynching". Aside from the usual 1960's children still wishing a socialistic state to appear I think GC-Q has conducted themselves well. 

So they will always be known as the jocks who got in a fight. Put a star on their foreheads. 

Hear hear

Good morning, abnrgr.  Good to hear from you.  I saw the "Caine Mutiny" (and read the book) and it's one of my favorites, so I remember the story.  I'm also glad sanity is finding its way into this process.  Beer and Friday night and twenty years olds with testosterone does not necessarily add up to a "hate crime."  I've talked to a lot of people at GCQ and I think there will be some discipline (fighting is never condoned), but there will be fairness.  I hope so!

     Fred McMurray.....wasn't he the star of My Three Sons? WOW....can write AND act too!! 

   

[hasanova]

Hasa
As I bemoaned several posts ago not to rush to judgement I was concerned. It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

Anyway I have to say I am totally surprized by,no... I think "flabbergasted" is what Fred McMurry said in the "Caine Mutiny" that this has been handled semi even handed. I really expected a "jock lynching". Aside from the usual 1960's children still wishing a socialistic state to appear I think GC-Q has conducted themselves well. 

So they will always be known as the jocks who got in a fight. Put a star on their foreheads. 

Hear hear

Good morning, abnrgr.  Good to hear from you.  I saw the "Caine Mutiny" (and read the book) and it's one of my favorites, so I remember the story.  I'm also glad sanity is finding its way into this process.  Beer and Friday night and twenty years olds with testosterone does not necessarily add up to a "hate crime."  I've talked to a lot of people at GCQ and I think there will be some discipline (fighting is never condoned), but there will be fairness.  I hope so!

     Fred McMurray.....wasn't he the star of My Three Sons? WOW....can write AND act too!! 

That's the guy.  He was also in a few movies in his day and played Lt. Keefer in The Caine Mutiny.  I used to work for a guy I called Captain Queeg (Humphrey Bogart in the movie) behind his back.  Just as in this movie, his "ship" could be about to sink in a hurricane and he was worried about who ate the strawberries.    I gave him some ball bearings for Christmas one year and I still don't think he knows why.  lol

[WLU78]

Just heard this week that a local recruit who opted for DII rather than HSC or BC has decided to transfer to BC.  He Lead the valley district in rushing from the fullback spot and is a punishing runner. He should make a great compliment to the returning back field. As a freshman he was listed at 6' and 205. I understand he was red shirted and will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.
I'd consider my source very reliable but outside of any official coaching staff. I expect the kid has the scoop but may not be able to report at this time.

I thought that eligibility after a "red shirt" was changed with the rules last year, and if I remember correctly there were some posts regarding the fairness of it all.  Maybe somebody else remembers.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Just heard this week that a local recruit who opted for DII rather than HSC or BC has decided to transfer to BC.  He Lead the valley district in rushing from the fullback spot and is a punishing runner. He should make a great compliment to the returning back field. As a freshman he was listed at 6' and 205. I understand he was red shirted and will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.
I'd consider my source very reliable but outside of any official coaching staff. I expect the kid has the scoop but may not be able to report at this time.

I thought that eligibility after a "red shirt" was changed with the rules last year, and if I remember correctly there were some posts regarding the fairness of it all.  Maybe somebody else remembers.

I think if you red shirt at a division that allows it, you still keep you eligibility if you transfer to D3.

[xbcdad]

Hmmm? I seem to remember the discussion about a change at DIII level but haven't researched it. From what I googled, there seems to be concensus that "routine red shirting" , as opposed to medical red shirting, is not allowed at DIII. I've not found information on transfers from higher divisions. I hope Kirasdad is correct.  MUC probably has more experience with this than most school.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Hmmm? I seem to remember the discussion about a change at DIII level but haven't researched it. From what I googled, there seems to be concensus that "routine red shirting" , as opposed to medical red shirting, is not allowed at DIII. I've not found information on transfers from higher divisions. I hope Kirasdad is correct.  MUC probably has more experience with this than most school.

Actually not, but everyone thinks that all the time.  We get some (Matt Campbell, Chris Kern in recent years) but not as many as people think.

I think Pat did an article about Red Shirting last January, as that is when the rule changed for D3.

Actually, there was a thread on the Daily Dose this January:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=180

[miz]

It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

I've been a football player and (a long, long time ago......) got in a few fights.  But never once did I get together with 11 of my teammates and participate in a racially motivated beating of three kids.  No matter how much smack those three kids talked, that is bush league all the way. 

And as far as "standing on their hind legs" goes, from the pictures of that linemans back in the one article that was linked it looks like the three kids got some descent shots in before they got sent to the hospital. 

Sorry for the harsh response but saying something like this is "no big deal" is an idiotic statement. 

-Miz

[abnrgr]

Miz sounds like you were there.

The cops dropped the charges of "racially motivated".

It sounds like an alcohol fueled response by teenagers and post teenagers to me. In the real world teenagers make decisons they wished they had not. Non concur with the bush league remark. Sounds like you are connecting the team to this by inferrence. 

I bet you a dollar I could say something to your face that would make you swing....sober too.

However; be harsh my man.

I left half my stomach in another country so you can say what you want.   

[Pat Coleman]

Hmmm? I seem to remember the discussion about a change at DIII level but haven't researched it. From what I googled, there seems to be concensus that "routine red shirting" , as opposed to medical red shirting, is not allowed at DIII. I've not found information on transfers from higher divisions.

The MIAC keeps trying to force a change to this rule on the rest of the Division but D-III keeps voting it down.

Redshirts from other levels are honored in Division III. Except in the MIAC and any other conference that wants to make its own rule.

[xbcdad]

Hmmm? I seem to remember the discussion about a change at DIII level but haven't researched it. From what I googled, there seems to be concensus that "routine red shirting" , as opposed to medical red shirting, is not allowed at DIII. I've not found information on transfers from higher divisions. I hope Kirasdad is correct.  MUC probably has more experience with this than most school.

Actually not, but everyone thinks that all the time.  We get some (Matt Campbell, Chris Kern in recent years) but not as many as people think.

I think Pat did an article about Red Shirting last January, as that is when the rule changed for D3.

Actually, there was a thread on the Daily Dose this January:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=180

kirasdad, thanks for the link and Pat for the article. that pretty well clears it up

[Trenches]

It was a FIGHT. a damn fight. has no one ever got punched in the face. I have several times. Big deal.  Sounds like somebody was talking some smack not willing to stand on their hind legs and defend it.

I've been a football player and (a long, long time ago......) got in a few fights.  But never once did I get together with 11 of my teammates and participate in a racially motivated beating of three kids.  No matter how much smack those three kids talked, that is bush league all the way. 

And as far as "standing on their hind legs" goes, from the pictures of that linemans back in the one article that was linked it looks like the three kids got some descent shots in before they got sent to the hospital. 

Sorry for the harsh response but saying something like this is "no big deal" is an idiotic statement. 

-Miz

     I'm going to take a guess that you don't know anyone involved in the incident. You are probably basing your opinions on what you have read and heard in the media.
     This is the reason I wrote what I did when I did. abnrgr is right. The statements you have made make it sound like you watched the whole thing from the third floor of bryan. Even if you were basing your opinions on what the media has shown, you should know by now that this wasn't the "racially charged" incident it was originally reported as.
    "It was a fight."
    They happen every day in college settings. Unfortunately this one has been brought into the mainstream and has been twisted and turned without the true full story ever coming out. Chances are it never will. BUT... at this point you should realize that the statements you made are pretty bold considering not even the college, students in the dorm, friends of those involved, or even the FBI (who are investigating) knows what truely happened.

    I will say I can garuntee I know the persons involved in the incident better then anyone I have seen post on the issue... and if you knew them you'd know that they aren't rascists, they aren't fight starters(quite the opposite actually), and to be completely honest, some of the names involved are the most laid back individuals I know.
   Question for whoever wants to answer... Guilford College is a largely diverse campus in race, religion, and ideas... these "12 students" involved... you claim they are all racists... Then why go to a college like Guilford? Why play for a racially diverse team? Trust me when I say I can go on with facts much much deeper then that to prove how laughable the idea that these students are out starting "racially motivated" fights. I wish you all knew these guys the way I do

     Please, I ask you and others who have already formed opinions (one way or the other), relax. Don't blow it up. Let it be sorted out the way it needs to be. To come on here and bash anyone is ridiculous... especially when you only know parts of two different stories.

     If you want to form any opinion on it, you can't factually base it on anything more then two groups of friends got into a fight and two different stories were told (just like every other fight you have ever heard about).

(can't wait to see the comments this one will get.. haha)

[Pat Coleman]

Ehh, trenches, just because one plays for a racially diverse football team doesn't preclude one from having racial hatred for those from the Middle East. You can't draw that line.

[sludge]

As the parent of a Guilford student, I'm proud of the way Guilford has handled and is handling the situation. 

I'm not a Quaker, but I recognize the Quaker tradition is an extremely positive influence on the campus in general and the recent incident in particular.  I honor the Quakers; they really walk their talk.

When I visited campus recently, I felt plenty of good vibes going around between the many and various people on campus.  That's an outsiders take, but its still worth something.

[Trenches]

Ehh, trenches, just because one plays for a racially diverse football team doesn't preclude one from having racial hatred for those from the Middle East. You can't draw that line.

I didnt mean to infer that directly. Like I said, I know things greater then that to prove that these kids aren't racists... but I'm not just gonna go into to personal matters of others here on the board. I just said that to get people thinking that there is much more to this story and the people involved then what the media shows.

[WLU78]

Ehh, trenches, just because one plays for a racially diverse football team doesn't preclude one from having racial hatred for those from the Middle East. You can't draw that line.

Huh?