FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[allsky7]

I agree with your whole post, except for the Go Tigers portion  .  I thought debt in college was bad.  Real life is horrible, and I'm still acting like a poor college student.

Hopefully I'll be able to watch my team beat the Tigers this year (unfortunately, I went 0-4).

I agree with your thoughts. As a person in a position to review resumes and involved in the hiring process, I do look at what school the candidate attended. I do not look for GPA and I do not give extra consideration for the Greek activities in, and of, themselves. I do, however,  give credence to extra-curicular activity - that's where the PBK stuff will show up, but other things are considered equally. I think every person that is in a position to review candidates' resumes is different.

Obviously anyone from CNU or William & Mary makes it to the right pile in round 1!!

     WHAT!?!? You mean all your USA South /  ODAC brethren don't get a free pass to round two? 

[CNU85]

     WHAT!?!? You mean all your USA South /  ODAC brethren don't get a free pass to round two? 
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as long as they don't come from W&L.....doh!!

[K-Mack]

you guys kill me, you come on here and say in one breath that a degree from a well regarded university is no better than another degree, and the next breath that yea XXX school has a great reputation and the alumni are howty towty

If what you wish we were saying and what we're actually saying were the same thing, then ding ding ding, you'd actually be right.

Your fancy degree hasn't helped your reading comprehension one bit. I've been saying from Minute One that going to a well-respected institution is a good thing, but it alone doesn't make you smart (as you're demonstrating) and it alone doesn't guarantee success.

That's all. Not sure why you're having so much trouble understanding that.

I also understand you quit the board today (I haven't caught up, but that much is evident) ... Don't worry, I know you'll be here reading the replies. I should let it go, since I was trying to stay above the fray, and embarassing your customers is generally bad business ... but your arrogance is making it so easy!

Since you went to W&L and you're a dumbass, that sort of kills your whole point.

[K-Mack]

K-Mack, it was 1976 at Death Valley.  80+ yard pass from John Beauller to Jeff Hutchinson, down the sideline,  ran to the middle of the end zone, and did a flip, forward flip, I believe. 

Thanks, +1 karma.

Don't go far, sounds like some pretty good Macon discussion is about to take place on this board.

[xbcdad]

It's got to be the dog days of summer when we spend multiple pages debating the academic merits of various schools.

At the risk of kicking the dead that started this debate (the reallignment of the ODAC and USAC) I will ask if anyone else has heard that SU has or will be petitioning the ODAC for membership. I haven't taken the time to read all the posts so perhaps I missed it. I'd classify my source as VERY relaible. That said, I have no idea what the disposition of the matter might be at this point. It would certainly make sense geographically.

[K-Mack]

yea there are kids that achieve and there are kids that don't at all schools and all teams

THAT'S THE POINT. BOTTOM LINE. END OF STORY.

Say whatever else you want. You don't even get it that you get it.

you can get your panties out of a wad, I haven't called anybody a name

Nope, you just said my comments "boarder" on idiocy and insulted the minimum wage earners of the world. Luckily I don't wear panties, but if I did and they were in a wad, I appreciate you giving me permission to get them out. 

Don't think I haven't noticed that you took a post that I made about cooperation between athletic teams and admissions/financial aid offices, and tried to pawn that off as the sole reason why Bridgewater is good at football. Cooperation is not illegal, it's desirable. A lot of schools do it, and those that do, it alone doesn't make them good at football (just like being at a highly-respected institution doesn't automatically make you smart).

You trying to twist my words to slander Bridgewater is lame to the highest degree.

Also, nobody but W&L players, parents and alumni cares how many cross country, tennis and swimming titles you win. You always win the Commissioner's Cup. Since this is your year to brag about football, you should be running with that ... you know, since people on this board actually care about that.

You represent your institution on this board, and you're making the whole place look bad. We don't hate Washington & Lee, you guys are the one who have been floating Centennial rumors since I was a player. If you go, take your friends with you to D4, and good riddance. If you stay, that's fine too. You've got to be the least-feared defending football champion in ODAC history.

Lastly (for now), your arrogant attitude toward the academic quality of the rest of the ODAC stinks. You sound like a 7th grader bragging about how he can beat up the 6th graders.

Don't make me get an 8th grader from the NESCAC board to come over here, squat, and take a healthy dump on that Washington & Lee degree.

[yellow jacket]

K-Mack,

There will definitely be more lively Macon talk going on this year.  Don't be surprised if Macon surprises a few teams.  If we had some offensive capabilities last year better than we did, the Catholic game, Hopkins game, Guilford game, and Bridgewater game (in my opinion) would have been wins.  Now, God only knows what would have happened had we had the offense (other team could have been waken up), but the only games we got man-handled were W&L and E&H.

But believe me, the Jackets are poised to make a run.  Young team w/ lots of returning letterwinners.

[K-Mack]

K-Mack,

There will definitely be more lively Macon talk going on this year.  Don't be surprised if Macon surprises a few teams.  If we had some offensive capabilities last year better than we did, the Catholic game, Hopkins game, Guilford game, and Bridgewater game (in my opinion) would have been wins.  Now, God only knows what would have happened had we had the offense (other team could have been waken up), but the only games we got man-handled were W&L and E&H.

But believe me, the Jackets are poised to make a run.  Young team w/ lots of returning letterwinners.

I'm definitely going to reply to your earlier post (although I'm at work now ... at the sweatshop, sorry about R-MC overcharging you for that worthless piece of paper  ) ... I haven't met Coach Arruza, but he comes highly recommended by his mentor, who is a successful and enthusiastic coach at Wheaton.

I, like Jacket Lawyer, have a lot of personal emotions about the state of the program, and how it fell into disrepair ... some stuff you probably won't like, and some things that started before Arruza came, and even forces off campus that R-MC can't really control.

By the same token, every year at the Stagg Bowl I say to myself that nothing in the world would be more fun than us being there.

So yeah, I'm planning to keep up with the ODAC board as much as I can this year, despite my national duties. We'll at least keep it lively here ... and I think your insight might help us get over our anxiety (proper use?) about the program.

[yellow jacket]

I think anxiety is a good word for it.  Trust me, I came to R-MC with dreams and expectations of winning 40+ games.  I do think that things are changing at Macon (all the deans from the previous regime are "leaving", not sure if it's voluntary).  President Lindgren does seem like he cares about the team and about the school (from my meetings with him).  Plans are even being discussed about a proper stadium.

But, things start from the ground up.  We already have stepped up with the cumulative GPA (up 0.3 points, I believe, from Boone's teams).  Coach Arruza's workouts now also aren't solely designed to weed out the poisoned players we used to have.  We have 30+ players remaining in the upcoming Junior class (Coach Arruza's 1st full recruiting class).  We had 8 seniors graduate this year, maybe 7 to 8 next year.  Things are bright. 

Although I do believe this is the year, and although I'm not privy to all the going-ons in the football program anymore, from the moment I left it on June 2, things are positive.  I'm excited and I'm not even playing.

[K-Mack]

My two-cents (that's all I can afford - I didn't go to W&L):
1. W&L is a great school. The top academic school in the ODAC (better stay there since Hopkins and maybe F&M are better).
2. All other ODAC schools are good private schools with different missions.
3. W&L should always win the "country club" sports...that's who they are.
4. This years football championship was a fluke. How often does the ODAC champ lose a league game? How often does the ODAC champ lose 3 games overall? W&L was a finesse team that got dominated by the power teams they played. F&M (Centennial team with a losing record) pounded W&L and kept the ball the whole game. Bridgewater gave the Generals a butt-whipping the same way. Wilkes embarrassed them running the ball down their throat. The only reason W&L won the league was because Guilford and E&H were able to upset the Eagles.
5. W&L students, parents and alumni tend to be arrogant, pompous and obnoxious a-holes. I'd rather have a beer with someone from any other ODAC school than W&L (who would probably want an expensive wine anyway...appearances being very important to the elitist snobs).

+1 karma, although Pat is right ... you aren't exactly helping matters (and neither am I, most likely)

[K-Mack]

I'm never happy to see a poster take his ball and go home but WLU78 was in danger of becoming a one-trick pony. If his only shtick was to call us dumb, idiotic, or otherwise beneath him, then I'm not going to shed too many tears here. 

What he said.

[K-Mack]

I think I need to just give up.

I certainly hope you don't.

I think he gave up because his point can't stand up to reason.

[xbcdad]

I sorta hate to bring this up but Street and Smith has BC #17 and W&L #25.  That is from memory sneaking a peek at Food Lion so i may be off a bit. I can't believe Kid hasn't posted it already.

[K-Mack]

He has ... on the BC football blog (sorry for no hyperlink)

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

yellow jacket - welcome to the board!