FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[patcummings]

I have a feeling BC might actually lose votes this week as their opponents' records pan out.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I have a feeling BC might actually lose votes this week as their opponents' records pan out.

I sure hope so.  We don't need the top 25 tag going into conference play.

What voters can I lobby to make sure we drop out?!

[Pat Coleman]

This week as in next week? Poll is out for this week.

[elonguilford]

Kickerdad----I wasn't going to slam Averett hard because that is a good program that had a horrifying night.  They'll get wins this season, I have no doubt.  I'd hate to be anyone on the Cougars right now because today, tomorrow, and Tuesday are gonna be hard practices for everyone involved.  Anytime a team plays like that, you know what's coming.

About Vogelbach and his O-Line....a lot of credit should go to the O-Line because the Quakers have had the same O-Line for all three games.  Consistency is always a good thing.  Yet, Vogelbach has a trust with his receivers taht few have.  When he throws a long ball, he trusts that his receiver is going to run the yards to catch up to the ball.  Most of the time, they have.

Remember with Vogelbach, he's only thrown three picks.  He's making better decisions, especially when flushed out of the pocket.  He'll take a loss of yardage or a sack over aimlessly throwing the ball.

[hasanova]

[...] Vogelbach is a good QB, but bottom line, without that offensive line and those receivers he would be just another average QB. [...]

Uh oh ... here comes Hasanova

I do think his success is 51-percent because of the system.  Short, quick passes – very athletic receivers in the open field.  You don't need a great offensive line to do that.  I will say that the nine guys on offense (other than Vogelbach and the person who caught the ball) do an excellent job blocking so the ballhandler can gain yards.

So yes, Vogelbach is a good Division III quarterback, but the system he is in allows him to standout.  I know he's only a junior, and he's already beaten good teams (W&L in '05, BC in '06), but until Guilford can win more than six games, they're just numbers.

I'm sure he'll be the first to admit that, and this year could very well be the year they get over the hump.  They host three of the four toughest ODAC opponents (W&L, H-SC, E&H), and they have started 3-0 for the first time since 1999.

The Guilford O-line is playing really well and the Quakers do have great Receivers, so everyone who mentions this is absolutely right.  I was worried a bit with Barnette and Rushing graduating, but Joyner, Vaughn, Kastor and Miller have stepped up big time.  With all due respect, however, Vogelbach is better than a good DIII QB regardless of the "system" being employed.  I've seen a lot of football and I've personally seen Vogelbach play 14 times and I believe he's the best DIII QB I've seen.  Because football is such a team sport, that may not mean a win in every game, but I like Guilford's chances every Saturday.

[allsky7]

     I promise I will never...ever...EVER compare scores again!! 

Johns Hopkins 17 H-S 16
H-S 54 Gettysburg 7
Gettysburg 41 Hopkins 10 (at Hopkins)

       

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] I believe [Vogelbach is] the best DIII QB I've seen. [...]

Wow, really?

[allsky7]

     Congrats to the Tigers for an UGLY W in Wilkes-Barre Saturday despite a 2nd half meltdown.

H-S 38
Guilford 31

     *If the Tiger TO's and personal fouls from last Saturday are eliminated. If Vogie gets as many extra touches as King's did, it could be a long night in G-boro. 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] I believe [Vogelbach is] the best DIII QB I've seen. [...]

Wow, really?

Let me expand upon my "wow."

First off, I certainly hope you've never seen J.D. Ricca or Jason Lutz play.

Secondly, you can't deny the system makes Vogelbach look good, and that his receivers and blockers for those receivers do much of the work.

Attempting to throw Bridgewater's and Guilford's systems out of mix, check this statistical comparison out:

Vogelbach (career): 59.7 completion percentage, 11.9 yards a completion, 1:23 interception-to-pass attempt ratio, 1.1 yards a carry, and Guilford scores every 14 times he touches the ball (touches are pass attempts + carries).

Highfill (career): 60.2 completion percentage, 13.8 yards a completion, 1:28 interception-to-pass attempt ratio, 4.3 yards a carry, and Bridgewater scores every 13 times he touches the ball.

I'm not starting a Vogelbach vs. Highfill debate (in other words, I'm not saying Highfill is better than Vogelbach), I'm simply trying to point out that Vogelbach has gotten his 8,131 passing yards and 88 touchdowns mainly because of the system he is in.

[Llamaguy]

I have a feeling BC might actually lose votes this week as their opponents' records pan out.

Yeah, that and the fact that the voters see the final score of those games prior to voting. The first and second team D (we sub throughout all quarters) has given up a total of 18pts in 3 games. It was 45-9 against McDaniel, 41-3 against Ferrum, and 20-6 when the one's and two's exited those games. Looking at the final scores, 45-19, 41-16, and 20-6, BC looks as though they didn't dominate weak teams. The SU game is the only game they didn't play up to par.  BC will face another winless team in LaGrange this week. I've heard they have the best defense we will have seen so far. Couple that with a 10 hr bus ride and I will take a one point win and let the votes fall where they may.

[AF4]

llama hero

we played a jv against lagrange today... beat em  25 to 14

the nice folks at lagrange said the varsity was heading yalls way... they r nice folks...but unsure yall have a lot to worry about... neat lookig uniforms

if u need any free llama consults.... u no where to find me....in alabama

keep the faith

(i'm a dahali llama (or alpaca) wanna be)

[Llamaguy]

llama hero

we played a jv against lagrange today... beat em  25 to 14

the nice folks at lagrange said the varsity was heading yalls way... they r nice folks...but unsure yall have a lot to worry about... neat lookig uniforms

if u need any free llama consults.... u no where to find me....in alabama

keep the faith

(i'm a dahali llama (or alpaca) wanna be)

Good to hear from you my friend.  We will be making the trek to GA on Friday. You are right about nice folks as they had a good crowd for a first year program up in VA last year.  I was wondering if your son was mixing it up at Huntingdon. Keep the faith and tell him to just get better everyday and the rest will take care of itself.

[patcummings]

This week as in next week? Poll is out for this week.

Initially, I was thinking this week, but even a big win v. LaGrange could do it

[hasanova]

I'm not starting a Vogelbach vs. Highfill debate (in other words, I'm not saying Highfill is better than Vogelbach), I'm simply trying to point out that Vogelbach has gotten his 8,131 passing yards and 88 touchdowns mainly because of the system he is in.

Perhaps a debate is not your purpose, but this post is doing a great impersonation of a debate.    Good luck to Jeff and the Eagles - they're a fine player and a great team, certainly worthy of any accolades they receive.

[allsky7]

I'm not starting a Vogelbach vs. Highfill debate (in other words, I'm not saying Highfill is better than Vogelbach), I'm simply trying to point out that Vogelbach has gotten his 8,131 passing yards and 88 touchdowns mainly because of the system he is in.

Perhaps a debate is not your purpose, but this post is doing a great impersonation of a debate.    Good luck to Jeff and the Eagles - they're a fine player and a great team, certainly worthy of any accolades they receive.

     I think anytime you talk about the "best" at anything, you open a can of worms. There are so many variables that come into play it is practically an impossible task. Statistics only account for part of the equation IMO. Guess it can make for some interesting message board and tailgate talk though.