FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[e h dad]

Prior to this year, I attended every E&H home game for the last four years. I'm not going to get into a numbers game in reference to the attendance at E&H. I can tell you with absolute certainty for that 20+ games, the stands and hillsides outside the ropes outside the stadium, endzones, and tailgating parking lot  have always been at or near capacity. The pictures that kid posted for the BC game are not a clear representation. The rain did not let up or stop until the third quarter that day and by game's end the home side was nearly filled.

Kid and Skoal, how many E&H home games have you ever attended? I can guarantee with absolute certainty that the stands have always been full or nearly full. I have been to the last four homecomings and when EHC #52 says that there may be 12,000 in attendance for this game, he very well may be proven correct. I can tell you for the homecoming games that I attended there have been 8000-10,00 alumni, family, friends, and supporters in attendance. Kid, no matter what I say, you will disagree and call me out on this one. You need to read your past posts and it is quite evident that you have a clear bias and utter disdain for Emory and Henry. That's your problem, not mine. Could it be that since your sainted glorified BC team, may not win the ODAC championship this year or, perish the thought, might be beaten by the likes of RMC, H-S, and, dread of all dreads, E&H that you have to vent your frustrations toward the Wasps?  Just remember, if BS were music, some people would be a marching band.

Eagerly awaiting your response. I know that I'll be slammed, but WTH I'm a big boy. I can take it.

Peace,
E&H Dad

[Pat Coleman]

Considering that this has been discussed every year since at least 2005, if not earlier, I highly doubt the Bridgewater fans are bringing this up solely because they didn't win the 2006 automatic bid.

[fallguy]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

[Llamaguy]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

[fallguy]

Trying to obtain tickets to the EHC vs HSC game, are they sold out yet, and are there scalpers on site for tickets.

[e h dad]

Fallguy,

I can't find tickets myself. I keep checkig E-BAY. If I do find extras I 'll be scalping them in the tailgating parking lot with the multitude of loyal E&H fans.However, they will be free to any BC fans who want to add to our attendance .

E&H Dad

[xbcdad]

Trying to obtain tickets to the EHC vs HSC game, are they sold out yet, and are there scalpers on site for tickets.

LOL that one flushed me out!

I've been there when there have been a lot of fans but I've been at Bridgeforth stadium on parents weekend and that holds 15 K and I can tell you Fullerton ain't no Bridgeforth. As Pat mentioned it's not really that big of a deal but it is sorta funny that it seems so important to publish huge numbers. Sounds like fuzzy math to me.

Really i didn't care about the fans I just hated those last second losses.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

e h dad,

Don't worry, your post didn't get me riled up. I appreciate others who have the same passion for their programs as I do for Bridgewater. If your son did or is attending E&H (going by your name), I respect that, and wish him well.

As for your last post, I still can't believe a word you - or any other E&H fan - say about attendance at your home games. And the reason is for statements like below...

The pictures that kid posted for the BC game are not a clear representation. The rain did not let up or stop until the third quarter that day and by game's end the home side was nearly filled.

Now I admit, I've only been to three E&H home games - when BC played there in 2001, 2003, and 2005. But when you say that two years ago against BC, the home side was nearly full by the end of the game, that's just plain wrong. The size of the crowd never changed. If anything, people left the game since it kept raining. If you think 350 to 500 fans is "nearly filling" a 5000-seat home bleachers, then I simply can't believe you when you say that the 20+ games you've been to have been at, or near, capacity.

You see why it's so difficult for me? I understand I've only been to three games in Emory, and that's certainly not a good representation of the crowds you all get (especially on homecoming), but when I go to a game, see no more than 500 fans at the beginning, at halftime, and at the end, and then see the reported count as more than three times as many, I can only assume this false advertising is done with regularity. I also remember in 2003, coming back from the game and talking with some folks about them reporting over 3,500 at that one.

Anyway, it is what it is. To be totally honest with you, I'm not sure I even know why I care if your attendance figures are fabricated. If you all think you have a huge crowd every game, then great. I suppose there is a chance that in 2005 and 2003 when BC traveled down there, those were the only two games your attendance figures were off. If that's the case, I apologize for making it such a big deal.

Oh, and one more thing...

Could it be that since your sainted glorified BC team, may not win the ODAC championship this year or, perish the thought, might be beaten by the likes of RMC, H-S, and, dread of all dreads, E&H that you have to vent your frustrations toward the Wasps?  Just remember, if BS were music, some people would be a marching band.

Looks like the E&H arrogance of the 1980s and 1990s is back.   I hope it sticks around the rest of the season. It should certainly spice things up a bit on here!

[e h dad]

XBCDAD, KID

It's not about the numbers....It's about the game and the kids that play it.

Your right it's no big deal.

I don't really care if there is 5 or 5000 in attendance. All I know is that I was blessed to see my son play four years of college football. That is what is important.

XBDAD ,I know you can relate to that as a father who's son played the game.

KID, I still stand by my remarks about the BC game in question.About being wrong it's a moot point. I know what I saw. Remember opinions are like a......s,everyone has one.,including me.Anytime you want to be my guest to a E&H game let me know. I'll pick up the tab. We can both take a head count. My son is in law school now and doing well. PEACE

E&H DAD

[e h dad]

Looks like my karma points are going south.I'll be digging myself out for a while.

It's worth it I'm having one heck of a time.

E&H Dad

[allsky7]

     Ok...I'll admit that I threw a jab in  there on the E&H  attendance thing when really I have no clue how many attend Wasp games these days.    I have seen games at E&H 6-8 times over the years as a coaches son (H-S) and a player (MC). However, it has been over 20 years. During the H-S years, I was a snot nose little kid probably playing a pick up game behind the stands. I couldn't tell you if there were 100 or 10,000 fans in attendance.  I will say that the times I was there as a player, there was always a full house. Frankly, I'm not sure I care what the attendance is. One thing is for sure, there is a BIG game this weekend and the house will be packed Saturday when the Tigers come to town. Wish I could make it. GO TIGERS!! 
     BTW....anyone that can, please keep those in game updates coming. I will not be able to listen online but will have my Q with me.

[Oil Can]

Trying to obtain tickets to the EHC vs HSC game, are they sold out yet, and are there scalpers on site for tickets.

Stub Hub!

[gone]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

Marty Favret is brilliant, he knows how to put players in position to be successful and that is the make up of a good coach. Favret destroying a BC defense is nothing new, he has been doing that for close to years (at CUA and HSC). BC just had enough overall talent to win the games against HSC but now it appears the overall talent is even the results changed (at least this year).
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Llamaguy]

Pat I agree, Marty usually uses most of the clock with motion and personnel changes. My point was that as with most no huddle offenses Marty has always speed things up to catch teams changing personnel. These coaches have squared off over ten times to not be prepared for a fast pace is just not being prepared period.

I still contend that it was Marty's brilliance (yes, I said brilliance) with his game plan more than Coach Clark not being prepared. I got an inkling when lisitening to HSC's radio broadcast in the first half. Their radio guys said, "where does Marty get all of these plays, we haven't seen any of these run in the previous 4 games." I followed that up by talking to a BC defensive coach who confirmed that not only were they different plays but they were run out of the same formations the BC kids saw on tape. BC thought they knew what was coming execpt in every instance the play went in a totally new direction. That coupled with the quick snap and keeping the RB available for the shovel pass on every passing play was the difference. When I see Marty again, my question will be, "when did you start to compile the 2007 BC vs. HSC game plan?" My bet is when there was still a chill in the air in January or Feburary. Again my hats off to Marty on this go round.

E H dad,
No ill feelings here about E&H. May the best team win. BC didn't go to the playoffs last year and we are still fielding a team again this year. The world didn't end and won't if we lose again this year. 

Marty Favret is brilliant, he knows how to put players in position to be successful and that is the make up of a good coach. Favret destroying a BC defense is nothing new, he has been doing that for close to years (at CUA and HSC). BC just had enough overall talent to win the games against HSC but now it appears the overall talent is even the results changed (at least this year).
GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Gone you raced across the line! I said he was brilliant for this game. Now in past years I saw him go for it on 4th down in his own territory more than once. In 2005 he actually kept BC in the game in the first half in my opinion. LOL of him destroying a BC defense being nothing new. Check the stats and talk to the brother of your team's QB. I have spoke to JD and I'm sure he will enlighten you on BC's defense. As for talent, HSC had 2 seniors, a SO QB and a tightend who excelled on Saturday. If you think the talent is now even I can't wait until the final game of the year when your Cardinals fly into Jopson field. Get back to me after the game on that one. 

[algernon]

Anyway, I think there's the head-to-head tie-breaker PLUS the "reverse point system" tie-breaker (5 points for beating the 7th place team, 10 for beating the 6th place team, etc.) before you even get to anything like who has gone the longest without going to the NCAAs.  There might even be a coin toss if things get crazy enough.  Hopefully, we'll just see the Tigers beat the Wasps, Yellow Jackets, Generals, and Cardinals and we won't have to worry about such things .... 

Algernon,
All of this was discussed last year. There is no reverse, hop twice, turn around, flip a coin and you get a champion. It is head to head and when there is a 3-way tie the AQ goes to the team with the longest playoff drought. I don't think it matters if the team got the ODAC AQ or not. It is to give the team who has been left out the longest a chance to go to the playoffs.

Llamaguy,
It was discussed last year and I think that (although there is no reverse, hop twice, turn around, and flip a coin involved ... ) the tie-breaking process is this:  (1) head-to-head tie-breaker, (2)  reverse point system tie-breaker, and (3) longest playoff drought.

Based on ODAC history, a tie-breaker isn't likely to be necessary.  The champion is very likely to stand alone at the top, as has been the case in 13 of the 16 years since the ODAC expanded to 6 teams in 1991.  (Catholic then made it 7 teams in 1999.)

There have been 3 ties since 1991:
1991: Guilford (4-1) was ODAC champ by virtue of 17-16 victory over Emory & Henry (4-1).
1997: Emory & Henry, Guilford, & Randolph-Macon (all 4-1) were Tri-Champs, as each was 1-1 against the others.
2000: Emory & Henry (5-1) was ODAC champ by virtue of 37-35 victory over Bridgewater (5-1).

In 32 years of ODAC history, the ODAC Champion has never had more than 1 loss.  The only situation that I can think of where the reverse point system would break the tie is if there were 3 or more teams tied with a 4-2 record and the head-to-head left them still tied.   That seems highly theoretical, though, given how things have played out historically.