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Unless time mysteriously stopped at one second, then the officiating wasn't that bad

[allsky7]

FINALLY!!!  Emory & Henry was honest about an attendance...

4,147.
I have a feeling it had something to do with us Bridgewater fans coming to town. A couple of us did do a quick count (and yes, included both stands, the end zones, up on the hill, and people who tailgated the whole time), and we estimated between 3,000 and 4,000. So kudos to the "gate counters" for getting this one right!

So where were the 10,000+ Wasp fans we hear goes to all the games?!

It was a beautiful day; it wasn't fall break for E&H; and you all were hosting a top 25 team. Seems like a recipe for a big crowd (if you in fact ever have them) to me!

     Well of course they got it right with "THE COMMITTEE" in attendance!! 

     On behalf of Tiger fans everywhere, let me say a big thank you to the Eagles for the assist Saturday. How's this for something to think about? (assuming the other games fall into place. A big assumption I know) Wouldn't it just suck royally for the Jackets if BC beats R-M on Nov. 3rd and then R-M beats H-S (gasp) Nov. 10th? They beat the Tigers for the first time in seven years but give the team (BC) that eliminated them the ODAC title. I'm sure the joy of keeping the Tigers from winning the ODAC would ease their pain a little.  SOOOOOO....for the sake of keeping this thing simple.....GO TIGERS.....JUST WIN!!  8)
     

[TXMike]

I hear ya EHC......it seems officiating is getting bad at all levels. I was watching a d1 game on TV last week. A penalty was called on a punt...it was a post possession penalty against the receiving team....block in the back....guess what they did....they marked it off from the original line of scrimmage and gave the punting team a first down. it wasn't seven close to being right. the block occurred about the time the ball was coming down.....plus the ball hit the receiving team player, the punting team recovered the ball.....they said the punting team touched it first, then they marched it back and gave the punting team a first down....they stopped play for over 8 minutes trying to get that right. I can't even remember who was playing and I was ticked. The kids on the field deserve an officating crew that knows what they're doing.

So, I understand your frustration....and I like the way you presented your thoughts....+1 for you

It is comments like this that aggravate officials the most.  If you want to slam officials about enforcements then you need to know the rules yourself and also know what actually transpired on a play.  The play you are talking about is from the FSU-Wake Forest game.  Here is video of it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LB-mzIdvg

The ruling on the field was that the ball was first touched by a kicking team player (and it was as you can see it bounce off the back of the player blocked to the ground).  The foul took place during a scrimmage kick which means the spot of enforcement is the previous spot EXCEPT for something called Post Scrimmage Kick enforcement.  If there had been PSK enforcement then the receiving team would get the ball 10 yards from where the kick ended.  But you cannot have PSK enforcement if the kickingteam is in legal possession at end of the down.  They were because they recovered the ball after the receivers had touched it.  So if the kickers had declined the penalty, then the receivers would have said we want the ball at spot of illegal tocuh by the kicers, which was the 1st spot it was touched.  Kickers had 2 choices, keep the ball with penalty enforced from prev spot or give it up and let receivrs have it where it touched the blocked player. 

(The issue about whether or not that player was blocked into the kick is a whole other issue, and I will not bore you with tha unless you want it)

[ToddEandH]

I was at the game today and thought the Bridgewater offensive line played really well. Bridgewater is a team starting 14 seniors and they showed up today on both sides of the ball.

I thought the game was called fair for both teams.

E&H is back on the right track and will add another conference title to the resume soon.

I thought E&H played with no real emotion (flat) for most of the game.  The third quarter had to be one of the worst quarters. 4 drives, three Turnovers.

I would put all of the E&H ODAC titles on the bottom of my screen like some of the Bridgewater posters but I would run out of room. Last time I checked it's 10 or 11.

Question of the day? How many more wins will it take Bridgewater to get to .500 against E&H in the series?

Good luck to both teams the rest of the season.

[Ralph Turner]

The play you are talking about is from the FSU-Wake Forest game.  Here is video of it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LB-mzIdvg

When I clicked on YouTube, the video had been removed by the user.

[hasanova]

I will say that the Wasp fans were very nice and accomodating.

First, congratulations to the Generals.  I didn't get to see the game, but I understand W&L made a nice fourth quarter comeback.  The Quakers led 13-10 before the Generals went up 17-13.  The last Washington & Lee score came late after an interception as Guilford was trying to drive for the go-ahead score. 

Second, the Quakers were obviously better on Defense this week, but still anemic on Offense.  At 0-3 in the ODAC, this campaign has been a disappointment so far.  The Quakers really have to regroup the last three games.

Third, kid was gracious enough to point out I had inadvertently transposed two letters while typing the word Saturday (Satruday) a week or so ago, so I want to return the favor and remind him "accommodating" has two m's.   Stone Station's food, however, has at least six m's ... as in "m'mm, m'mm good!"

[TXMike]

The play you are talking about is from the FSU-Wake Forest game.  Here is video of it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LB-mzIdvg

When I clicked on YouTube, the video had been removed by the user.

Here is a different video of it. http://www.southtexasrefs.com/VID/FSU-WFpunt.WMV
Warning - It is a 25 Mb file so can take a few minutes to download.

[Llamaguy]

I was at the game today and thought the Bridgewater offensive line played really well. Bridgewater is a team starting 14 seniors and they showed up today on both sides of the ball.

I thought the game was called fair for both teams.

E&H is back on the right track and will add another conference title to the resume soon.

I thought E&H played with no real emotion (flat) for most of the game.  The third quarter had to be one of the worst quarters. 4 drives, three Turnovers.

I would put all of the E&H ODAC titles on the bottom of my screen like some of the Bridgewater posters but I would run out of room. Last time I checked it's 10 or 11.

Question of the day? How many more wins will it take Bridgewater to get to .500 against E&H in the series?

Good luck to both teams the rest of the season.

LOL Todd! Be proud of your team. Putting those titles on the bottom of the post show how PROUD I am of the Eagles in the last 10 yrs. Go about 100yrs with 1 ODAC title then win 5 and see how you would feel.  As for E&H, they are back! Next year they will be one of the favorites for another ODAC title. BC will be super talented but young, graduating 34 Seniors this year as you noted. Great game and great atmosphere in Emory yesterday, glad I made the trip.

Question of the day, if I increased the font size of BC's championships on the screen so there was no more room would it equal all of the wasps chamionships? 

[Ralph Turner]

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I would put all of the E&H ODAC titles on the bottom of my screen like some of the Bridgewater posters but I would run out of room. Last time I checked it's 10 or 11.
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Todd, please go ahead and add the E&H ODAC titles.  It is easier for us non-ODAC fans to understand the ups-and-downs in the conference when doing conference research.
Thanks. 

[tigerftblfan]

Ok, I really don't like getting on this subject, but since it seem's to be a hot topic on the board, I am going to jump in as well.
I will call it like " MY EYES " have seen it this year....
The Officiating this year has been HORRID !!!
I am a HSC Tiger fan and I have seen us get Horrible calls all year...
But, Wait a sec.....I Have seen other Team's also get the same horrible call's......I mean, I am talking about plays' that the official was standing right there, 5 yards from a play AND STILL MISS IT !!!
I listen to all games on the radio as I watch the games and all year have even heard the radio announcers make comments....How did they miss that call ? and go on to say.....VERY BAD CALL !
Whether its my beloved Tiger's or ANY TEAM as far as that goes....A game should never be decided because of a bad call or call's.
This is a very exciting year in the ODAC and all team's and player's are playing their heart's out. I just hope and pray whoever win's the ODAC wins it outright and not because of a ref's bad call or its because his house sit's right up the street or he play's golf with one of the team coaches.
Ok.....That's probably a " LOW BLOW "......But for anyone who has been around the block a few times, Knows this exists !!
Good Luck to all ODAC Player's......Stay healthy and play hard and may the best team win the ODAC.
GO TIGERS !!!!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I would put all of the E&H ODAC titles on the bottom of my screen like some of the Bridgewater posters but I would run out of room. Last time I checked it's 10 or 11.

Question of the day? How many more wins will it take Bridgewater to get to .500 against E&H in the series?

Ha. We haven't heard this one in awhile. Thanks for bringing it back!

Some of us live in the past, most of us live in the present. Trust me, had Bridgewater won 11 titles over 15 years (1985 to 2000, as E&H did), then I'd be living in the past too.

But be careful not to slight your current teams just because they aren't doing as well as they used to. I saw one heck of a defense from the Wasps on Saturday, and as Llamaguy said, they'll be one of the favorites in the conference for years to come. Give your boys some credit. Definitely remember and enjoy the titles from the past (as we BC fans do in our signatures), but don't use them as sarcasm to "prove a point." We got it. You guys were nasty for a 15-year period.

I will, though, entertain your sarcastic questions...

Only six times did E&H go undefeated in the conference en route to their 11 titles. Bridgewater has gone undefeated in five of their six ODAC championship years. So we need only one more undefeated year to tie you all in that impressive category.

And as far as evening the all-time series up at .500, that may never happen. You all were absolutely dominant against us for the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

Here are the results from the series...

2007: BC, 17-14
2006: EH, 21-17
2005: BC, 31-17
2004: BC, 49-38
2003: BC, 41-17
2002: BC, 48-18
2001: BC, 28-14
2000: EH, 37-35
1999: EH, 24-21
1998: EH, 14-13
1997: EH, 31-7
1996: EH, 20-14
1995: EH, 21-0
1994: EH, 47-6
1993: EH, 28-7
1992: EH, 51-6
1991: EH, 16-0
1990: EH, 49-14
1989: EH, 31-7
1988: EH, 21-7
1987: EH, 42-7
1986: EH, 35-9
1985: EH, 35-22
1984: EH, 42-7
1983: EH, 21-13
1982: EH, 28-21
1981: tie, 19-19
1980: BC, 15-14
1979: EH, 21-0
1978: EH, 27-20
1977: EH, 42-20
1976: EH, 35-13
1931: EH, 51-0
1927: EH, 83-0

That makes the series 26-7-1 in Emory & Henry's favor.

The reason I don't mind admitting our past (our archives can be viewed here), is because to fully understand where you are today, you must know where you came from. And there's no escaping where Bridgewater came from. It actually makes our current success even sweeter.

[CNU85]

I hear ya EHC......it seems officiating is getting bad at all levels. I was watching a d1 game on TV last week. A penalty was called on a punt...it was a post possession penalty against the receiving team....block in the back....guess what they did....they marked it off from the original line of scrimmage and gave the punting team a first down. it wasn't seven close to being right. the block occurred about the time the ball was coming down.....plus the ball hit the receiving team player, the punting team recovered the ball.....they said the punting team touched it first, then they marched it back and gave the punting team a first down....they stopped play for over 8 minutes trying to get that right. I can't even remember who was playing and I was ticked. The kids on the field deserve an officating crew that knows what they're doing.

So, I understand your frustration....and I like the way you presented your thoughts....+1 for you

It is comments like this that aggravate officials the most.  If you want to slam officials about enforcements then you need to know the rules yourself and also know what actually transpired on a play.  The play you are talking about is from the FSU-Wake Forest game.  Here is video of it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LB-mzIdvg

The ruling on the field was that the ball was first touched by a kicking team player (and it was as you can see it bounce off the back of the player blocked to the ground).  The foul took place during a scrimmage kick which means the spot of enforcement is the previous spot EXCEPT for something called Post Scrimmage Kick enforcement.  If there had been PSK enforcement then the receiving team would get the ball 10 yards from where the kick ended.  But you cannot have PSK enforcement if the kickingteam is in legal possession at end of the down.  They were because they recovered the ball after the receivers had touched it.  So if the kickers had declined the penalty, then the receivers would have said we want the ball at spot of illegal tocuh by the kicers, which was the 1st spot it was touched.  Kickers had 2 choices, keep the ball with penalty enforced from prev spot or give it up and let receivrs have it where it touched the blocked player. 

(The issue about whether or not that player was blocked into the kick is a whole other issue, and I will not bore you with tha unless you want it)

Thanks for the info. However, the play I saw, there wasn't anybody on the ground. I remember seeing it hit the receiving team first in the arm. Maybe I saw it differently. anyway, thanks for the rule definition. After all these years and I still learn stuf I've never encountered! 

[CNU85]

(The issue about whether or not that player was blocked into the kick is a whole other issue, and I will not bore you with tha unless you want it)

Learning things doesn't bore me. Let me know. You may want to sent it in a PM...it might bore others.

[TXMike]

Did you look at the video I posted the link to ? (The large video)  That is not the play you are referring to?

[ToddEandH]

Kid,

I wasn't trying to slight anyone but I thought the O side of the ball was flat yesterday. Maybe,the Bridgewater defence has something to do with that but I didn't see the kind of emotion I would have expected.