FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[CNU85]

It should have been knew,,not new,,,I am getting old,,and slipping a little,,got a pill for that ??The Wife's cookies will keep my weight up !!!

LOL! Well I'm trying a NEW grilled chicken sandwich recipe tomorrow. The gentleman at Stone Station will be the guinee pigs.  If it is a hit I'll ship it down to Chincateague (sp.?), pronto. Gotta have a main course to match that dessert course. 

Take care!

how was your new recipe, Llama? I was so close to finding out.....as we spoke yesterday...women!!

[Outsider14]

re: recruiting

coaches cannot comment on prospective athletes until they have signed their L.O.I., or in d3's case, paid their (room) deposit securing their spot in the freshman class. kids can say their coming, "commit", at any time. their deposit is their LOI in our case. for comparison, we have 13 recruits that have paid their deposits, and several more have "committed", saying they'll join us in the fall. April is when most of the deposits come in since Financial Aid packets usually don't go out til mid feb-march. many schools set a deadline to pay; i think ours is may 1.
of course, in d3, paying a deposit doesn't guarantee the kid will show up on report date, let alone be on the roster for the first game. we had a few pay deposits last year and not show up for camp (one of mine got a track scholarship to UC-Davis mid summer). the fun part of d3 recruiting is having a kid say "coach i want to play for you guys at ________, but _________ is giving me a much better financial aid package so i'm going there."

[BTEXPRESS]

Outsider, Thanks for the information. D III recruiting is a very tough business just because it is not a level playing field like Division I schools who have a FULL SCHOLARSHIPS  to offer. In D III you have different admission standards, different tuitions, different facilities, etc. Very, very tough for the coaches. Kids say they are coming than change their mind. A lot really comes down to finances. Parents don't want to pay alot and the schools can only offer so much. The coaches also need help from their admissions people. In somes cases a kid who they have spent time recruiting and appears on paper to meet all the admission criteria, doesn't get accepted at one school but can get in at another and in some cases, these schools are in the same conference. Go figure.

[Pat Coleman]

Division I has different admission standards and facilities as well.

[hasanova]

Hi, everyone.  Checking in from my hotel in Bedford, PA.  Any word on who will fill the Defensive Coordinator spot at Guilford since Michael Vite was hired as Head Coach at NNA? 

[Bwana]

As we approach the halfway point between Stagg Bowl 2007 and Kick Off 2008, a question occured to me for the group to get us through the Spring doldrums...How Good is Successful?

We all know that D3 football is quite different from DI football, where where fans demand championships and coaches get dumped if they are only moderately successful.  There is a fellowship across small college football that is unique and quite different from what you find at larger schools.

That being the case, and no matter how good a time folks have at Stone Station, it gets back to the game on the field.  How good does your team have to be for you to consider their year a success?  Break even? Make the playoffs?  Get to the Stagg Bowl?

Example: The BC football team has been consistenly less than successful for a long time...then came the playoff/title run from 2000-2005.  The last two years have been without titles or playoffs, but the team had a record of 8-2 and then 7-3...both of them better records than the team that won the ODAC title in 1980 at 6-3, and considerably better than the records than the typical BC record over the previous 50+ years.

I consider them successful years, especially in light of the programs long history.  I am not sure I am joined by others in that opinion.  I don't even know how that opinion would fly with another program.  Imagine the wailing in Alliance if Mount Union had an 7-3 season?

So, consider the floor open...what do you consider a successful year for your team?  Is it a certain record?  Does it have to be a title, or a playoff berth?  A level of performance?  Sold out home games?  Winning Homecoming?  What does the team have to do for you to consider the year a success?

[allsky7]

As we approach the halfway point between Stagg Bowl 2007 and Kick Off 2008, a question occured to me for the group to get us through the Spring doldrums...How Good is Successful?

We all know that D3 football is quite different from DI football, where where fans demand championships and coaches get dumped if they are only moderately successful.  There is a fellowship across small college football that is unique and quite different from what you find at larger schools.

That being the case, and no matter how good a time folks have at Stone Station, it gets back to the game on the field.  How good does your team have to be for you to consider their year a success?  Break even? Make the playoffs?  Get to the Stagg Bowl?

Example: The BC football team has been consistenly less than successful for a long time...then came the playoff/title run from 2000-2005.  The last two years have been without titles or playoffs, but the team had a record of 8-2 and then 7-3...both of them better records than the team that won the ODAC title in 1980 at 6-3, and considerably better than the records than the typical BC record over the previous 50+ years.

I consider them successful years, especially in light of the programs long history.  I am not sure I am joined by others in that opinion.  I don't even know how that opinion would fly with another program.  Imagine the wailing in Alliance if Mount Union had an 7-3 season?

So, consider the floor open...what do you consider a successful year for your team?  Is it a certain record?  Does it have to be a title, or a playoff berth?  A level of performance?  Sold out home games?  Winning Homecoming?  What does the team have to do for you to consider the year a success?

     There are probably as many answers to the question as there are answerers to the question.    IMO...it's a moving target. Many factors come into play. How many seniors did you lose the year before? Did you have success despite key injuries? How does the year compare to recent history?
     Like you said 7-3 in Alliance probably won't cut it. What if the Purple Raiders graduated 22 starters one year. Would 7-3 be acceptable the following year? In my mind it most likely would be but I suspect in the minds of many MUC faithful, it would not. The standard for them is a December trip to Salem......period!!
     While I am certain that BC will be in the hunt again for the ODAC very soon, it was unrealistic to think they would win the title and advance a couple of games into the playoffs every year. I'm sure some Eagle faithful are disappointed in the last few years but good grief...put it in perspective to the 50 prior to 2000. Being a Tiger fan, you bet the expectation has gone up for 2008. I'm certainly not going to go jump off a bridge if they don't win the ODAC this year but I expect them to contend.
     And as for me personally, I consider it a successful year if I reach a certain level of performance and score at homecoming.  If you win the game  too....well....that's just the gravy.

[Bwana]

     There are probably as many answers to the question as there are answers to the question.   IMO...it's a moving target. ...And as for me personally, I consider it a successful year if I reach a certain level of performance and score at homecoming.  If you win the game  too....well....that's just the gravy.

It is a moving target, which is why I tossed out the question.  But I also hope to hear some ideas about how far students and alums think their school needs to go to reach that level of acceptable performance.

For example, is it worth the money to improve training facilities in order attract better recruits to meet that level of performance?  At what point are folks willing to upgrade the field/stadium capacity?

Oh, and good luck with your goals this year...be sure to keep us posted on your progress! 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Pretty sure this isn't an April fool's thing...

http://www.tricities.com/tristate/tri/news.apx.-content-articles-TRI-2008-04-03-0015.html

[casper]

Ah, took a few hours!  Figured the news would travel faster.  You're getting
lazy, kid.

Thank goodness it wasn't a successful season in terms of wins and losses.


Wonder if the guy has been staking out the bookstore, too?

[Bwana]

Apparently not...

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/156905

I was curious about this comment in the Tri-cities story:

"Bankston added that Emory & Henry's statistics from the 2007 season would remain in place, and that it would be left up to the discretion of the Wasps' opponents from last season how they would now record their game against E&H in their record books."

Does that mean that if a team beat E&H, they can either leave the current result in the books or they can change it to be a forfeit?

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Apparently not...

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/156905

I was curious about this comment in the Tri-cities story:

"Bankston added that Emory & Henry's statistics from the 2007 season would remain in place, and that it would be left up to the discretion of the Wasps' opponents from last season how they would now record their game against E&H in their record books."

Does that mean that if a team beat E&H, they can either leave the current result in the books or they can change it to be a forfeit?

I believe so. The only interesting one will be if Hampden-Sydney decides to change it, because that would make them undefeated in the ODAC. I hope they do make it a win. My opinion is that it doesn't matter if E&H was playing with one or with 50 ineligible players that game -- they were playing with one too many.

[willierobin]

What ever happened a few years ago when Guilford used an ineligible player? Did they forfeit games and did their opponents have a choice? How about when Shenandoah used an ineligible player against Catholic several years back?

[EHCPride]

Just another black eye for the school during the Montgomery Era.  He needs to head back North where he belongs.

On the Guilford issue, not so sure what eventually became of it.  But pretty ironic that the player involved, Dion Rich, was one of Montgomery's first recruits at Emory.

[Pat Coleman]

Emory and Henry voluntarily forfeited the games.
Guilford did not volunteer to forfeit the games.
Shenandoah voluntarily forfeited its game.