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[dputigs3]

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You can't compare Rogers to Walker, period.  Walker lucked into the head baseball job and for whatever reason became the head football coach - he's never even recruited for football and he now is the HC of what SHOULD be one of the premiere d3 football teams in the country.  Lynch went 8-2, in one year.  Rogers went 7-2 and a co-conference championship, in one year.  Walker is 5-3 and 2-3 in the conference (2-2 if you don't count TU b/c '05 didn't play them).  But it's an "identical situation".  Go fig.

[Ron Boerger]

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You can't compare Rogers to Walker, period.  Walker lucked into the head baseball job and for whatever reason became the head football coach - he's never even recruited for football and he now is the HC of what SHOULD be one of the premiere d3 football teams in the country.  Lynch went 8-2, in one year.  Rogers went 7-2 and a co-conference championship, in one year.  Walker is 5-3 and 2-3 in the conference (2-2 if you don't count TU b/c '05 didn't play them).  But it's an "identical situation".  Go fig.

Jeremy,

When you consider that DPU has never made the playoffs, equating them to the "premiere d3 football teams in the country" seems a bit of a stretch.   Rogers had a good year, but also inherited quite a bit of talent from Lynch/Mouzouris (sp) and still couldn't get past Wabash when doing so would have put the team into the post-season.   

Drawing sweeping conclusions based on a single season of results is dangerous.  Then again, you were one of Coach Rogers' assistants last year, so naturally you are going to support your guy. 

[frank_ezelle]

As some people like to say here in the South, I don't have a dog in this hunt with regards to the DePauw situation and their coaches, etc., and it doesn't bother me to wade through the posts.  Still, I'm just amazed that people seem so keen to air their dirty laundry out in the public like this.

Maybe this is something that needs to be discussed by some people somewhere, but do you think it is helping DePauw and the current players and the potential recruits to discuss it on this board?  It's not like this message board is as widespread as USA Today or ESPN Sports Center, but it does get read by many.  That's just my way of thinking but you guys continue to bash if that makes you feel good.

[dputigs3]

Ah, but one year is where the basis of ALL this dicussion, from (Lynch, Rogers, Walker)- so there's a lot of consistency there.  And the post said SHOULD be one of the premier teams: They have the resources, academic prestige, and central location.  And it's obvious they've had some talent - 2006 included.  So there is no doubt that they SHOULD be a premiere team, Ron.

And you can call it bias or "airing dirty laundry" but the records of the of the previous 3 head coaches and their first year are facts.  Matt Walker has recruited for baseball, but not football - fact.  He is a 27 year old HC - fact.  His Asst. HC is 26 and is a walk around coordinator - fact.  There were no sweeping "conclusions" made.

[dputigs3]

To clarify why I got into this discussion:

It is not to bash anyone in particular (although it may appear that way, sometimes...).

Two reasons really -

1. Tim Rogers Should NOT have been fired

2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.

[DPULefty22]

To clarify why I got into this discussion:

It is not to bash anyone in particular (although it may appear that way, sometimes...).

Two reasons really -

1. Tim Rogers Should NOT have been fired

2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.

It may appear that way SOMETIMES? While I don't dispute that your two underlying themes of discussion have been there all along, the preponderance of Walker-bashing is, quite frankly, unbecoming, and in fact undermines the points you are trying to make.

This is Coach Walker's first year as a head football coach. We don't know what kind of coach he's going to be in the long run. He's trying to win with the talent he's got at his disposal, which I think we can all agree is diminished from the 2005 team. In the long run, we'll see how he and his staff does in terms of recruting players (and the future will also bear out Rogers's own recruiting efforts, though so far Spud Dick and Bryan Mulligan are looking like home runs, so to speak).

My point is that it's entirely unfair to judge Matt Walker based on the 2006 season alone, and that an assessment of the Tim Rogers situation and a defense of Time Rogers can be made without dragging Walker's reputation through the mud. But that seems to be the M.O. for the folks around here that have come to discuss this situation, including at least one former assistant coach.

Walker and Rogers are both stand-up guys, and if I were any kind of a football player I'd be proud to suit up for either man.

[DPU3619]

2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.

What really puzzles me is that I'm just about the only alum around here and all three of you have made your point to me.  There are a few others who occasionally drop by.  But it's mostlly me.  If Rogers wins the suit, I'm going to be an angry alum.  I've already said that.  It's bad practice to fire somebody because you hate white people, in general. 

But forgive me for waiting for a legal decision before I pass judgement.  A couple of former DePauw assistants probably know more than I do, but I'm going to wait.  As much as I like both of you guys, (and I do, don't get me wrong.  I know this discussion is heated, but I do like you guys, seriously) you're not Levar Burton and I'm not going to take your word for it.  That's right.  I dropped in a Reading Rainbow reference.  Believe it.

Until then, Walk's my guy.  As unhappy as that makes you guys, I'm pretty cool with it.

Also, what Ron said.  No reason for repeating it.

[benbraddock]

DePauw People (from another alum to help you out former DPURadio),

How about we back the man who was named the Head Coach and look to the future of the program.  Walker got the job pretty darn close to the start of the season and hasn't had a chance to do any of his own recruiting.  I'll tell you right now (from personal experience being recruited by him for baseball and football), that he is a great recruiter for baseball and will do a heck of a job in football also.  By the way, I think someone needs to check their sources on about Walker not EVER recruiting for football.  While he doesn't go out on the recruiting trips because he is busy with baseball, he has still done some football recruiting.  Basically what I'm saying is that we need to give Walker a chance and let him recruit some players of his own.  I guarantee he will get great talent to DPU just like he has done with baseball. 

So please, give the guy a chance.  Heck, we gave Trinity ALL they wanted in San Antonio after losing a lot of players from a good team.  Plus, I know he will have them ready for the Bell game (not that it means anything, but look at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach).

[scotty]

never had the chance to meet Coach Walker on our visit thanks to Coach Kaz...just saw his eyes...that was enough...Depauw has the right guy...the man is a leader regardless of baseball or football...darn...

[roocru]

Let's talk about one of this week's games.  I know that comparing scores is always tricky but just for argument sake:

DePauw              Opponent             Austin College
15-26 (-11)          Trinity                    7-34 (-24)
27-6 (+21)            Rhodes                 7-21 (-14)
31-24 (+7)          Sewanne               44-20 (+24)
7-31 (-24)           Millsaps                  11-26 (-15)

-7                        Totals                    -29

Any chance for AC to pull off an upset?     AC is playing better each week.  DePauw maybe looking ahead

[Li'l Giant]

look at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach

No, kidding. You guys have owned us on the diamond for a long, long time.

[DPU3619]

DePauw maybe looking ahead

I recall a very similar occurance in 2003.  Tigers had just lost at home to Centre and then might have overlooked a certain Engineering school whose mascot happens to be a large, menacing pachyderm.  22-12 was the final.  There was a lovely team photo taken by the Fightin' Elephants under the scoreboard at Phil Brown Field right after the game.

[wally_wabash]

look at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach

No, kidding. You guys have owned us on the diamond for a long, long time.

Interesting to note that even with as badly as Depauw has owned Wabash in baseball lately, that series (which dates back to roughly the beginning of time) is only separated by 4 games. 

[frank_ezelle]

Let's talk about one of this week's games.  I know that comparing scores is always tricky but just for argument sake:

DePauw              Opponent             Austin College
15-26 (-11)          Trinity                    7-34 (-24)
27-6 (+21)            Rhodes                 7-21 (-14)
31-24 (+7)          Sewanne               44-20 (+24)
7-31 (-24)           Millsaps                  11-26 (-15)

-7                        Totals                    -29

Any chance for AC to pull off an upset?     AC is playing better each week.  DePauw maybe looking ahead

There's always a chance but it seems fairly unlikely.  DePauw probably has the better talent, DePauw is playing at home, and I suspect that the DePauw coaches will challenge the players to show that they are a far better team than what the results have shown in the last few weeks. 

The attitude of the DePauw players is probably one of two things--they are ready to quit on the season or they are anxious to find a team they can pound.  I suspect they'll play this Saturday with the intensity they usually have in the Trinity games and in the Bell games and that could make for a long afternoon for Austin College.

[msg_lynx]

What about the Rhodes/Millsaps matchup this weekend.  I'm hearing that both teams are a little banged-up after last week's games.  If Oliver is healthy Rhodes has a GREAT chance to beat the Majors, but without him they are sure to struggle.  On the other hand Juan Joseph may not be able to go this week for Millsaps, and they are sure to hold him if his health is questionable for the Trinity game.  Any thoughts?