FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[evacuee]

Where is everyone from Carnegie Mellon?  I couldn't find a UAA page.  Are they too smart to pay attention to football?  Man, I wish I were.  Then maybe I wouldn't have driven 400 miles in one day to watch my team get steamrolled by Millsaps last weekend. 

I really hope Millsaps wins.  That way no one will be tricked into thinking the wing-t is good for college football.  I'm also a fan of the school and the conference. 

[SaintsFAN]

TU,

the UAA page is in the North Region.  You can find a poster named BD somewhere around there or in the PAC page recently.

[depauwtigers1]

To 3619:
  Read your post of frustration on the Bell board.  Game is over, so I will bring this to the normal board.
  You never agree with me on the situation at DePauw, thats O.K.  I can read into your posts and I am 99% sure that you are the extended mouthpiece of the current Head FB/BB coach.
  Think about this before you get burred up:
    1.  The Hanover and Trinity coaches were just instituting leverage measures when they were toying with the DePauw Job.  These candidates simply wanted more from their current Schools than they were getting.
    2.  How you would find out information on T. Rogers being an admin. hire leads me to speculate you are attending information sessions with the current HC, maybe Asst. HC, and/or the SID.
    3.  You must know that someone on DPU's athletic staff turned an unapproved/illegally obtained e-mail into the administration from TR's computer, leading to his dismissal.  Who do you think would have pulled something off like that (surely in the plan with the vice president/possibly with the AD)?
    4.  Be careful with those current coaches you so fondly support.  They may not be the upstanding pillars of society you believe them to be.  Would not want you to get lumped in with a devient because you did not have enough infromation.
    5.  If Coach Rogers would have gotten the support he was promised when he took the job at DePauw, they would have been the Millsaps of the 2006 Season.  He needed to make changes within the staff to improve the program, and was met with a ton of backlash from the current people still involved with the program and administration.

  I understand your dis-satisfactions with DPU and the Football program.  The reason it remains this way is because of the people still there and the dismissal of Coach Rogers and HIS coaches.  Now with what you know, do you understand that when a new HC is hired - he must be extended the opportunity to bring his people in and not retain current Asst. coaches?  Those current assistants are the ones who cost Rogers his JOB, and they should have never been in position to do so!

[frank_ezelle]

Just one person's opinion but please feel free to continue the discussion on the Bell board.  Or better yet, could someone just start a board for "DePauw Coaches--Pros and Cons" and all the rest of us could get away from this hashing and rehashing of the DePauw coaching situation.  I mean really, isn't it about time to give this all a rest?

[exmajor]

Back to the playoff game discussion, here is a link to the CMU football site preview for the game on Saturday, on the page there are also a couple of pdf documents that show game notes and depth chart.  A nice job by the CMU athletic department of putting this together!

http://www.cmu.edu/athletic/football/headlines/2006/millsapspreview.htm

By the way the game will be broadcast by the ESPN affiliate in Jackson as has been the same for all Millsaps games this year.  If you have not heard the guys doing the games yet, I would suggest listening for a little while, it is entertaining!

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/111506story.shtml

[frank_ezelle]

exmajor--Based on the comments regarding the Trinity game broadcast, I think some might want to change your last words from "it is entertaining" to "it is overbearing". 

I listened to the broadcast for the Austin and Sewanee games and the broadcaster are definitely pulling for the Majors, they are tight with the players and the coaches, and they might be a little bias in their opinion of the officials.  Naturally that doesn't bother me at all but I can see where it would grate on the nerves of others.  By the way, the broadcast starts 45 minutes prior to kickoff (that would be 10:15 Central time) with interviews of Coach DuBose, some of the players and assistant coaches, etc.

[exmajor]

exmajor--Based on the comments regarding the Trinity game broadcast, I think some might want to change your last words from "it is entertaining" to "it is overbearing". 

True Frank, but like you I am not bothered by it, I do not see alot of difference between that and the home broadcast for any DI school, try listening to a Texas A&M game in College Station, maybe I am missing something? 

[Pat Coleman]

Overbearing is the right word.

I would say something about D-I and NFL broadcasters -- in most cases those games are also on the television and you have an alternative to homerness.

Now, I've heard a LOT of homer D-III broadcasts, but I've also heard some truly professional ones. I'll take a Mount Union, a St. John's, an Occidental, a Delaware Valley, a Wittenberg, a St. John Fisher far over the stuff I heard on the Millsaps game.

[frank_ezelle]

Pat, I have a feeling that you heard them at their worst "homerness" given the situation of being the underdog and then jumping out to such a stunning lead so quickly.  I didn't hear the game, but it wouldn't surprise me if they got caught up in the moment and it was a huge moment for Millsaps and the football program.

I'm just glad that there will be a broadcast of the game for the non-Pittsburgh bound fans and I hope that a lot of Millsaps fans and SCAC fans will tune into the game.   

[BDTartan]

TU2698 - What's wrong with the Wing-T at this level of college football??  I agree it wouldn't be as successful at the D1 level, but all the military academies run similar "misdirection" offenses.  If CMU wins, they won't trick anyone into thinking the Wing-T is the best thing since sliced bread.  All they will do is prove that it is good for them.  I am sure they recruit specifically for that offense.  Besides, if a team has the skills players and quick linemen the Wing-T can be a pretty potent offense.

[Ralph Turner]

TU2698 - What's wrong with the Wing-T at this level of college football??  I agree it wouldn't be as successful at the D1 level, but all the military academies run similar "misdirection" offenses.  If CMU wins, they won't trick anyone into thinking the Wing-T is the best thing since sliced bread.  All they will do is prove that it is good for them.  I am sure they recruit specifically for that offense.  Besides, if a team has the skills players and quick linemen the Wing-T can be a pretty potent offense.

BD, I think that the service academies run the mis-direction offenses because they get CMU calibre student-athletes!

[DPU3619]

Think about this before you get burred up:
    1.  The Hanover and Trinity coaches were just instituting leverage measures when they were toying with the DePauw Job.  These candidates simply wanted more from their current Schools than they were getting.
    2.  How you would find out information on T. Rogers being an admin. hire leads me to speculate you are attending information sessions with the current HC, maybe Asst. HC, and/or the SID.
    3.  You must know that someone on DPU's athletic staff turned an unapproved/illegally obtained e-mail into the administration from TR's computer, leading to his dismissal.  Who do you think would have pulled something off like that (surely in the plan with the vice president/possibly with the AD)?
    4.  Be careful with those current coaches you so fondly support.  They may not be the upstanding pillars of society you believe them to be.  Would not want you to get lumped in with a devient because you did not have enough infromation.
    5.  If Coach Rogers would have gotten the support he was promised when he took the job at DePauw, they would have been the Millsaps of the 2006 Season.  He needed to make changes within the staff to improve the program, and was met with a ton of backlash from the current people still involved with the program and administration.

Let's see what we have here.

1.  I'll believe that about Coach Mohr.  I thought Coach Perry might have been a DPU alum?  There's some connection that I can't recall at the current moment.  Even if he was an alum, you may still be right on that account as well.  Not sure how'd you have that information, but I take your word for it.

2.  All three of those are actually incorrect guesses.  I know all of them quite well and am friends with them, but none of them are who I got my info on his hire from.  That info gets around a bit more than you might think.

3.  I heard that rumor.  I think that for me, it's a rumor until I see that proved in a court of law.  It's a damned shame if it's true and I'll be one angry alum who won't ever give a penny to DePauw if that happened as you say.  Coach Rogers didn't tell me the story as I'm sure he's given it to you.  I don't even know his entire side of the story.  For that reason, I'll continue to fly in holding pattern.  However, what you've said would not surprise with Jimmie Lincoln and Co, though.

4.  Thanks for the heads up.  I don't really have much connection to the program anymore, but nonetheless, I'll keep my eyes open for any potential lumping.  Suppose I've been called a lot of worse things than a deviant.  Probably even been called a deviant a time or two.  Probably won't take a lot to convince you of that, eh?

5.  If anybody around here would know about the promise the 2006 squad supposedly had, I suppose it would probably be you.  And Coach V, I reckon.

You know, all Rogers/Walker bias aside here, the thing that was really upsetting me over there was that those guys were holding the two sport thing against Walk.  When I talked to him on Saturday, he said he'd be on the recruiting trail by now.  He'll be there for quite some time.  When he's done,  he still has an office.  He goes there.  Recruits can come there.  Being the baseball coach doesn't mean you're hitting fungos for 18 hours a day.  (However, that may be a good idea for the Wabash baseball program).  They've got that kid that Will Caroll taught to throw the gyro and they're still no good.  Alas, I digress.

Kinda felt like I wasn't making any progess, so I gave up.  I, like you, figured I was probably done over there.  We'll get that cranked up again in about 350 days.

That mouthpiece comment was kinda low.  Ouch, duder.  Perhaps there's some bitnerness here.  I think he's a good football coach and a nice guy.  Not much more there than that.

[BDTartan]

haha Ralph.  What are you saying?  That you have to be smart to run the Wing-T?  I know its complicated, but alot of high school teams run it in my area and are successful with it.  Believe me, not even half the kids around my area are smart enough to go to CMU or the military academies.  I'm not knocking my area, or even you, I just think that people have a certain opinion about the Wing-T at any level above high school because its an outdated offense.

[Li'l Giant]

try listening to a Texas A&M game in College Station,

Dave South is brutal to listen to. I listened to part of the Oklahoma/A&M game in my car and boy is it tough to stomach.

On the other hand, he does have his own drinking game:

tamu-and-baseball.com/pdf/davesouth.pdf

[tTU719803]

haha Ralph.  What are you saying?  That you have to be smart to run the Wing-T?  I know its complicated, but alot of high school teams run it in my area and are successful with it.  Believe me, not even half the kids around my area are smart enough to go to CMU or the military academies.  I'm not knocking my area, or even you, I just think that people have a certain opinion about the Wing-T at any level above high school because its an outdated offense.

The Wing T, when run right, is one tough offense to stop.  This is probably because the attitude of the Wing T is to pound and pound and pound, and then when you have worn the other team down, pound some more.  The speed present at the D1 level kind of takes away from its effectiveness, but on the D3 level it can definitely be a killer.