FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

Bill McCabe · October 10, 2005, 05:57:49 PM

Ron did they add football to attract more male students? I know it had an impact at TLU, both when they dropped football and when they brought it back.

historymajor · October 10, 2005, 06:59:14 PM

What about UMHB??? Weren't they an all girls school that went co-ed and added football almost simultaneously? Seems like about '98. Can anyone (Ralph???) help me out with the details?

Bill McCabe · October 10, 2005, 07:25:17 PM

History major, you are correct. That's about when they added football. I'm not sure when they went co-ed.

Ralph Turner · October 10, 2005, 07:51:43 PM

UMHB went co-ed in 1971.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/UU/kbu5.html

etg · October 10, 2005, 08:07:02 PM

Ralph,
Re: your Post #6282
IMHO; conversely, Huntingdon joins the SCAC when DPU once again joins RHIT.

Toby Taff · October 10, 2005, 08:43:22 PM

Historymajor,

MHB allowed male students on a limited basis prior to 1971, but they worked on campus for the priveledge of going to school and they could not earn a degree. In 71 the school went coed. For as long as I have been associated with MHB they have had male and female sports (my brother graduated from MHB in 86, so it has been a while), and in the 90's MHB sent a basketball team to the NAIA D1 national basketball tournament and had a baseball team finish 2nd in the NAIA World series. But even with successful mens programs the mix of Female to Male students was roughly 75% to 25% (great mix if your trying to find a wife! That's where I met mine) Football was added to help that ratio, but it still something like 65% women. The history of football at MHB is also interesting if you consider that the first football game was a Purple vs Gold (i think those were the colors they used) 6-man game brought on because students wanted a homecoming football game.

evacuee · October 11, 2005, 01:23:34 PM

Given the whole concept that the NCAA wants to reduce travel costs in the first round, what does anyone consider the likelihood of Trinity visiting Hardin-Simmons in the first round should both teams win out? Unless they have a really strong SCAC showing, I can't imagine that they would get a very high seed even as the SCAC champs considering how less than dominant they've been.

I ask because I'm stuck in Lubbock for the semester and I know I can get to Abilene, but really nowhere else without flying.

Ron Boerger · October 11, 2005, 02:20:37 PM

IF the ASC gets two seeds (less likely than it was before last weekend, but still very possible):

HSU, if champion, gets #1 seed and hosts a team from out of state. Might or might not be the #8, it would be whoever makes the NCAA travel budget work best.
Trinity, if undefeated, should be seeded higher than the ASC runner up and host
Winners meet at higher seed location the next week (prolly HSU}

"Dominance" doesn't really play into account. If Trinity wins out it'll have a decent QoW index especially if Huntingdon can keep winning (and TLU can pick it back up after last weekend's disaster]. Not having played another playoff team won't help, tho.

If the ASC doesn't get a pool C (a one-loss UMHB or ETBU would be contenders at this point), then yes, Trinity, if it wins out, goes to Abilene in week one. DePauw has the advantage right now in the scenario where TU should lose a game and DU wins out; it's possible, but not certain, that an 8-1 Trinity would get a Pool C bid. Start pulling for Huntingdon and TLU if Trinity should lose a game.

ETBU wins out, who knows how they would seed them. They would be 9-0 in D-III play and if another ASC team gets a pool C would have defeated another playoff team. That might be enough to push them to a higher seed than even an undefeated Trinity in which case the first scenario above would apply.

evacuee · October 11, 2005, 03:14:59 PM

Ron,

Read your email. I just sent you something.

historymajor · October 11, 2005, 04:39:57 PM

MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'. In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game?
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?

Ron Boerger · October 11, 2005, 05:36:40 PM

Quote from: historymajor on October 11, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'. In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game?
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?

They can host - the stadium is nicer than many other facilities I've seen. UMHB has had the misfortune of being the lesser (eg higher-numbered) seed in every playoff game they have participated in.

Toby Taff · October 11, 2005, 07:44:43 PM

And yes, they have lost some playoff games. DANG IT!!

etg · October 11, 2005, 09:10:37 PM

According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5 (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would" a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played. 8)

Ron Boerger · October 12, 2005, 01:57:21 AM

Quote from: etg on October 11, 2005, 09:10:37 PM
According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5 (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would" a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played. 8)

In the event that both teams make the playoffs, DU is probably not assigned to the same bracket (and there aren't really regional-based brackets anymore, anyway). Cost of travel issues will take precedence over "official" region assignment.

DU could be a higher seed than TU if DU won out (Pool A) and TU did not (Pool C). TU needs to get the offense going.

To be honest, I don't think too many people outside of the SCAC have this scenario on their radar, etg. Certainly Trinity and DePauw fans do.

tTU719803 · October 12, 2005, 09:16:54 AM

I don't think the NCAA would make DPU pay for a first round trip to S.A. I would like to see that matchup in the first round - it would be a good game, and DePauw would finally get to play in S.A. when the heat isn't a factor. I still think that the SCAC should step in and make DePauw come to San Antonio next year during the regular season to even it out.