FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Oh, i guess the carbon footprint comment by the prof really wasn't that bad of a thing to state...its just kinda of funny to me how some profs/deans live in PCU fantasy land, might have to rent that movie...:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3653198-page2.shtml

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.

If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?   

[Tex]

Oh, i guess the carbon footprint comment by the prof really wasn't that bad of a thing to state...its just kinda of funny to me how some profs/deans live in PCU fantasy land, might have to rent that movie...:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3653198-page2.shtml

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.

I live in College Station, TX so many of my neighbors are PCU fantasy land trolls.  That's the wacky side of living in a university town. 

The SCAC is crazy large geographically.  Speaking as one of those parents Wes talks about cutting the checks, I feel that pain.  Speaking as a parent/fan that follows the team out of town, there's some personal pain there as well (expense!).  But the fun of traveling across the country following the TU Tigers makes up for it.  God has blessed my family and me.  I can only imagine how much it would stink to have to rely on the webcam to get my out of town game fix.

After my recent brush with death, I'm enjoying each and every of my son's college events.  Taking my time each day.  Damn glad to be here fellas. 

[DPU3619]

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.

I agree on the NCAC and I tell you why - they already rotate football schedules so they can keep 3 non-conf games.  I feel like that's the biggest hurdle when you're talking about adding a 11th football school.  Wabash didn't play OWU and Hiram this year, for instance.  They had Chicago, Wash U & DPU on the schedule.  The NCAC already has the tiebreaks set for teams not playing each other.  What's the big deal if you knock that down to 2 non-conf instead and put DePauw on the schedule?

I don't think DePauw wants to be a part of the Midwest Conference.  Yeah, you don't fly, but those are still some LONG bus rides.  You've got one team at 3.5 hours.  The majority of the rest are in Wisconsin.  Plus, I don't know if that's exactly the academic profile they're looking for.  On the other hand, the NCAC has two teams already in Indiana, and the Ohio teams are all between 4-6 hours.  The longest bus ride in that conference is the 7 to Gheny (essentially a trip to Rhodes) which is an average length trip for DePauw in the SCAC.  However, there's no Blues City Cafe in Meadville, PA.

I've got a hunch that if such a venture to move conferences even exists, it's probably the NCAC or nothing at all.  If DePauw can't get in the NCAC, I reckon they'll just stay until they feel like trying again.  I personally don't care either way what DePauw does, but I can understand why they feel the need to try.

[Ron Boerger]

If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?   

The SCAC will have to do some creative reworking of its travel partner concept if DPU leaves.  UD and AC would pair, but then you have Colorado totally out by itself, even more than it is today. 

I don't know if non-football UD offers the SCAC what it wants, but then again with Hendrix starting up FB in a couple of years that wouldn't be as much of a consideration. 

DPU would be missed, no doubt about it.  They've been great for the conference, but if they went to the NCAC the Bell game could have even more meaning. 

[Ralph Turner]

If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?   

The SCAC will have to do some creative reworking of its travel partner concept if DPU leaves.  UD and AC would pair, but then you have Colorado totally out by itself, even more than it is today. 

I don't know if non-football UD offers the SCAC what it wants, but then again with Hendrix starting up FB in a couple of years that wouldn't be as much of a consideration. 

DPU would be missed, no doubt about it.  They've been great for the conference, but if they went to the NCAC the Bell game could have even more meaning. 

It is an easy connection from DFW to COS (Colorado Springs) or DEN.

I find no other direct flights from "SCAC" cities to COS.

[Ron Boerger]

You might have better luck flying into Denver and then taking a bus to Colo Springs, but regardless with UD in the fray you end up with travel partners like

UD-AC
TU-SW
CC (via DEN + 90 minute bus ride) - Hendrix (via LIT + 45 min bus ride) ??

LIT does have non-stop service to DEN.   One stop flights from LIT to the Springs are considerably more expensive (today). 

[cush]

I think if Depauw did leave the scac, the scac would have 3 possible replacements for them in Centenary, Berry, and Dallas for spot #12...don't know if centenary wants to make that move but an offer from the scac might push them, dallas and berry probably would duel off for an offer though...the other option might be to offer all 3 and jump to 14 teams. In the end, it probably depends on what millsaps wants, ie to be either in the east or west of the scac on who would get a replacement offer + i'm not sure what the issues were with the 3 scac presidents...losing depauw would hurt but the scac still would be a great collection of athletic/academic school's in D3 with any of those 3 joining the league if depauw left.

As for Depauw, they  still might  not leave after their review and or lack of another conference offer. I do like the concept of the UAA , that is even though the travel can be pain, it gives valuable exposure and benefits for the school's + students.  Yet, if the NCAC decides to offer depauw, than that is the best fit...maybe depauw should try to team up with Rose-Hulman and get them to expand to 12...in that case, i think they could get the playoff championship football game ala the SEC/big 12 since they would have 12 football school's...the 12 team concept might also work with Rose for the Midwest Conf but as noted, depauw probably would only leave the scac for the ncac...yet i don't think the academic profile of the midwest is that bad, grinnell is a great school but those are some long bus rides, so why bother with the switch in that case.

[DPU3619]

Yet, if the NCAC decides to offer depauw, than that is the best fit...maybe depauw should try to team up with Rose-Hulman and get them to expand to 12...in that case, i think they could get the playoff championship football game ala the SEC/big 12 since they would have 12 football school's...

I don't think the championship format is going to work for either DePauw or Wabash.  That's one of the gripes DPU has about going to divisions in football in the SCAC.  Here's why, and I quote:

It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall

Monon is not moving so that Week 10 can be the conference championship game.  There's just no way anyone is going to let that happen.  The argument could be made that, in its current state, that game is probably the de facto NCAC championship game in the average football season, but who's to say where we are in 5 years? 

There are already tiebreakers in place for a scenario like that in the NCAC.  If 3 teams tie with 1 loss, they can already figure that out, even if they haven't all played each other.  Couple of years ago Kenyon almost won the Pool A at 6-1 in the conference because they didn't play Witt or Wabash.  Wabash ran the table that year, but had they not, it would have been interesting.  Anyways, my point is that it's already set up that way since they play 3 non-confs. 

[cush]

HA! that is like the JV version of UM/Ohio State fans being against big 10 expansion...granted the big 10 is probably  just trying to smoke ND out of being an indy but at some point in time, maybe Missouri or Rutgers will get an offer from the big 10 and presto, you got a wild championship week-end in indy or chicago for the big 10 football title. I think you could push back the Monon bell game 1 week earlier and it still would have a great atmosphere + you would get the possibility of hosting the ncac title game a week later...the problem might be from the 2 ohio school's, witt + ?, who would be paired with the 4 Indiana school's in ncac east/west divisions...the 2 ohio school's might prefer to stick with the 5 other ncac ohio school's, thus KO any expansion to 12 with depauw + RH. Bringing this discussion back to the scac, i think if the scac could somehow get to 12 football playing school's, the concept of having a title game hosted on campus would make for a nice ending to the season but given the travel, probably not likely to happen.

[D3_DPUFan]

I don't think the championship format is going to work for either DePauw or Wabash.  That's one of the gripes DPU has about going to divisions in football in the SCAC.  Here's why, and I quote:


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It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall

Classic, Wes...well done.

[DPU3619]

I understand how much sense it makes to have a championship game, it just ain't gonna happen for these two schools.  That isn't from just my point of view, either. 

While I am vehemently against such a move personally, I'm certain that officals from both schools would never let that game be moved.  They just won't.  It's not a feasible option.

[Trevbmx]

There are some good hotels a few miles west of St. Mary's at Ingram Park Mall area Red Roof, Marriot Resedence Inn, Holiday Inn Express.  Is a little ways to Airport about 20 to 25 mins with traffic.

[D3_DPUFan]

WOW! Colorado College drops FB?!?!

[DPU3619]

This is incredibly late to try to get the entire conference to fill an open date. 

[D3_DPUFan]

This is incredibly late to try to get the entire conference to fill an open date. 

exactly...