FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[DPU3619]

DePauw's did go up a great deal from last school year to the current one, which is what gave me the heebie jeebies. 

I'm sure the overall picture in regards to the endowments isn't quite as alarming as that one particular point on a timeline, but I know DePauw's hasn't done anything good at any point since I was there.  As I mentioned, DePauw has been talking about the endowment going the wrong way since at least 2002, if not longer than that. 

Plus, people keep suing them.  That's certainly not helping tuition either.

[Ron Boerger]

Wes, I'm sorry to hear both that DPU is the target of lawsuits, and that tuition has been jacked up.

One of the great things about posting on boards is that you learn something once in a while.  Our good friend Ralph Turner sent me a link to the 2005 NACUBO survey; I've extracted the 2004 figures from that report and the result is that things aren't nearly as rosy as I'd proposed:

School           2004  2009  % Chg
Trinity           674   850   26%
Depauw         410   425    4%
Colorado Coll   424   400   -6%
Sewanne        240   246   2%
Rhodes           212   229   8%
Southwestern  278   226   -19%
Centre           150   159   6%
Hendrix           137   115   -16%
Austin             NR   109   --
BSC               112   72   -36%
Millsaps            84   71   -15%

Trinity's numbers are inflated because they were in the midst of a recently completed $200M campaign; absent that, they'd be close to flat. 

Looking at this you can see why the schools are trying to cut discretionary spending (such as travel costs) as much as possible. 

[DPU3619]

Wes, I'm sorry to hear both that DPU is the target of lawsuits, and that tuition has been jacked up.

Eh, what can you do? Quit firing people without just cause and that'll probably stop.

[historymajor]

Eh?  What I see is that Trinity is pretty good at raising money, investing money,,,  but doesn't spend much on things like need-based and score-based financial aid....  Obviously (now former Prez) Brazil was good at the former and bad at the latter...  hope new Pres will 'get it'

[Ralph Turner]

Now we see why BSC wanted to move.

I haven't looked at Centenary's numbers.  Ron, can you get them now?

(I can look later tonight.)

Centenary LA

2004 $105,661K
2008 $112,219K
2009  $89,448K

[bb king]

This maybe long so grab a cold one and hang on for the ride.  This is my first post on this site, although I have read this site for years. I couldn't help but read about all the coaching changes going on in the league. I am also an avid Millsaps supporter.

My purpose here is not to tear people down but give an honest view of Millsaps, Millsaps athletics and the coaching search.

As for Millsaps, the school itself is in limbo on which direction to head with the current status of the President, new football coach, new admissons director and the reduction in staff all across campus with some people now doing 2 if not 3 jobs on campus. Part of this is do to the economy and the loss of millions in the endowment. The second part of this is because admissons has not met its number of students for several years and a lowered discount rate lower than is necessary. With the year Katrina hit Millsaps also took a hit from lack of students when this occured they accepted a lot of kids who were boarderline financially and this has created a problem. The majority of these kids who were boarder line were of african american decent. Currently Millsaps is at 25% african american and would like to be some where between 12 to 15%. This has been studied by the college and has being reduced through admissons trying to find more full pay kids. You may ask why is this important. It is important because the majority of those kids are football players or some form of athlete on campus. To me this should not be a contest for who has the most money and can afford to come to Millsaps but to educate all those who are willing to come to this fine institution.

The next part of this deals with the athletic side of things. So hear we go as I mentioned above athletics has been the saver at Millsaps for several years especially in the fact of helping admissons to at least get close to the numbers they have needed at the end. This has also created a huge burden on the athletic budget in that the school had not planed a budget to fit these students and coaches and all the things that come with fielding a bigger athletic dept. bigger team sizes etc. When asked to go get more kids all the sports did that but at first were not covered to fit the number of kids as time progressed they were alloted approx 7500 per kid over the budgetary number that still was not enough to house, feed, buy equipment etc. for the numbers they had on campus. Currently there is a debt in football alone of over 100,000 dollars. This do to championship rings, travel, equipement etc.

It is a one man fundraising venture inside the athletic dept. Jim Page has done a great job in this area. This is not to say there has not been a lot of outside people who has helped especially 3 to 4 people. But Jim can't do it by himself and be expected to run a top notch baseball program.

They need to hire an athletic director who has vision and can communicate with people the current ad has none of these skills and has turned a lot of people off to the programs at Millsaps. I know some one will say this is not true but having spoke to a lot of alumni and business people in the Jackson area it would do them good to look to find a full time ad. It has been widely known that if Tim wise Could he would get rid of womens basketball coach the problem is he can't do it because he has not been successful with his own program. It is sad to me when you are the head coach athletic director and you have 12 guys on your team and you only by 7 of them shoes or you take them on a road trip give them $6 go back and take a dollar from the kid and tell him you can't have it.

[bb king]

This being said lets talk about Kevin Maloney for a minute. He did a great job at Millsaps, but one of the reasons he left was because of promises made by Tim Wise to increase his money and it was agreed on. The problem was Tim only gave half of the amount agreed. Kevin was very happy here and would have never left if not for this dealing.

I hate to say this but I do believe that football is going to take a little downward turn. Here is why. 1. to get the budgets back in line they have to go back to a 65 or 70 man roster from a 130 man roster. They will scale back coaches to the amount that David Saunders had. This means less man power on road to recruit and over see the bigger number.

As for players who may leave: Michael Galatas, Shane Bowser maybe two. Both have had issues I will not discuss. Both would be a huge loss to the program.

As for head coaching candidates: I believe there is a strong pool of well qualified applicants who have SEC experience to Div1 experience To Head coaches who have been successful. Some of these guys run the same type of offense a little variation but will do will there.

As for Pelch and Caffey do I think they are the only two that should get a look at being a head coach who has ever worked for coach dubose not really.

As for Pelch being the right fit I don't know but I do know that he had a hard time recruiting here. He might be a great guy. But if you look at where he has been the only place he has had success was at Millsaps as a coach.

Caffey fell into a situation that was set up by others, has not been a proven recruiter yet.

The problem with both is can they bring new money to the table when Millsaps needs it. Maybe they can but without ties here it is hard to break into the circles that give.

My question is this

Why isn't shannon dawson on list he got the ball rolling offensively and very effective recruiter, why not Marcus Woodson did a great job coaching secondary and effective recruiter brought shane bowser here, David Johnson proven recruiter and head coach lot of LA ties. Fred McNair taught jaun joseph how to play qb and brings a name. The sad part is Dave and Fred never had the chance to be a coordinator no one took the time to ask although they new the system.

Just a thought before this committe decides who should be its next head coach maybe they should talk to the ones who built it.

[bb king]

My personal opinion is that some times we as fans don't always see who is doing a good job or what they do behind the scenes to make Saturday go well. We look and give a lot if not all the credit to the HC and not to the assistants who make the wheel turn. With that being said especially at the division 3 level people don't often talk about the recruiting that coaches have done or which coaches have brought players to the table. All we look at is the title given to them or only shown the ones that people want us to see. It takes players to make this thing happen with out them you can be a great x&O guy and that is fine but you better surround yourself with others who can do the job.

[D3_DPUFan]

Back to our earlier discussion on salaries....get this. Word today out of Tuscaloosa that Alabama's Defensive Coordinator just got his deal extended through 2012....at $750k per!!! WOW...

[Patriot_Pride]

BB King, welcome to the board. I'm sure you'll get slammed by a lot of people for your comments, but I for one agree with a ton of them.

As a follower of Millsaps myself for nearly 6 years, I have to say all your points make a lot of sense. There are a lot of problems in the athletic department at Millsaps that need some serious work, that is no secret. If they screw up this hire in the football program, it could have some awful repercussions.

I'm shocked at a lot of things you pointed out and agree it all starts at the top with the man running the show, the athletic director. The points you make show that he's just not the right man for the department and a lot of people there know it, they just don't say it. A true AD will turn that place around.

Along with a new football coach and President, I really hope we get an AD who cares. Soon.

[evacuee]

Just curious bbking.  I get the idea that most of your candidates that have been overlooked have one thing in common that has nothing to do with coaching.  I'll let you figure that one out or I might get a lifetime ban from this place. 

Stick to music, my friend.  Your writing skills don't earn you much credibility and your claim that Millsaps wants to reduce its black population is shady at best.  Why would you be privy to that information if you were willing to spill it like that?  No school would want that getting out.  I think you're full of it. 

Clearly you had to get a lot off your chest.  I HOPE that in some cases you are not being truthful. 

[D3_DPUFan]

Just curious bbking.  I get the idea that most of your candidates that have been overlooked have one thing in common that has nothing to do with coaching.  I'll let you figure that one out or I might get a lifetime ban from this place.  

Stick to music, my friend.  Your writing skills don't earn you much credibility and your claim that Millsaps wants to reduce its black population is shady at best.  Why would you be privy to that information if you were willing to spill it like that?  No school would want that getting out.  I think you're full of it.  

Clearly you had to get a lot off your chest.  I HOPE that in some cases you are not being truthful.  

Strange post to say the least...got a chuckle out of your "stick to music, my friend" line  

Seems like there was a fair amount of bitterness in that rambling rant. I, too, hope some of those things are more fantasy than fact.

[Ralph Turner]

Mr King has left the room.

It seems that he may have taken Lucille with him.

[Ron Boerger]

Perhaps Mr "King" realized that his email address was visible and showed his real name. 

[Pat Coleman]

Why is it that bitter people are less likely to actually read the Terms of Service?

And does it makes sense to have a smaller football team if budget is an issue? More football players = more students.