FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Patriot_Pride]

I'm not losing any sleep over it.  He's already been recognized for what he's accomplished so far.  I can't understand why people take their players not being on that team as some kind of screw job.  There are 200 teams playing every Saturday.  What's the big deal?  If you are playing football or you sent your son to play football at this level for the recognition, I can assure you that you are in it for the wrong reason.

Point taken. Never again will I argue for a player in the SCAC who deserves national recognition. My bad.

[bashbrother]

a ton of football left to play I know, but in the SCAC, what does the tie breaker situation look like with two or three one loss teams?   

[Patriot_Pride]

a ton of football left to play I know, but in the SCAC, what does the tie breaker situation look like with two or three one loss teams?   

It could even be four one-loss teams.

Centre's undefeated, but will have to go the rest of the way without Osterman. If they win out, they obviously win the SCAC.

There are so many other scenarios right now, it's not even funny. Maybe the scacsid could chime in and help us out....

[frank_ezelle]

The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?

[TigerDad]

A bye-week, off-topic comment, if I may ...

Congratulations to the McMurry "Tribe" for a well-deserved win ... breaking three (bad)streaks at once in last Saturday's 45-21 win over ETBU.  For those unaware, I highly recommend this week's D3 Around the South column by Jason Bowen.

Link: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high

Having seen McMurry in action first-hand in week one, several of us Trinity parents remarked, "Wow, that's not the same team we saw last year!"  And, indeed, it is not.  A tip of the hat to Hal Mumme and his assistants for reviving the spirit in the football program at McMurry University and for the support of the administration, athletic department, and alumni there.  And, a special shout out to the McMurry players who continue to reach for excellence in the classroom and on the field of play, despite a long recent struggle for respect.  In the heat of our supporting our own team (and the relief of Trinity's narrow victory this season), we sometimes forget that these young men are just as dedicated and hungry for a win as our sons.  Perhaps, in some ways, moreso.  I commend you all ... you make us all proud.

Well done, McMurry!  I predict the ETBU result will not be your last victory this season, but an indicator of things to come for your program.  The ASC better watch their backs ... there's a Tribe on the loose in Abilene!!

[wabashcpa]

The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?

I'll give it a shot:

1.  Prospects of Centre going undefeated - slim.  Road games at both Millsaps and Trinity?  Possibly without their starting QB?  I actually think they're catching a break this weekend with Birmingham-Southern not being a conference game - wouldn't surprise me at all if B-SC wins that game.

2.  One loss teams - DePauw and Millsaps. 

DePauw - only remaining road contest against Rhodes - that's a W.  The Texas duo has to travel to Greencastle - brutal.  I like DePauw in those games as well.  All this assumes team remains healthy.

Millsaps - They get Centre at home.  Rhodes and Sewanee are W's.

3.  Centre, Trinity, Austin - all with at least two losses.

In this scenario, DePauw would win the SCAC by virtue of head-to-head victory with Millsaps, correct?  I would be curious to see if Millsaps would earn a Pool C bid in this scenario.

If Centre beats Trinity, and DePauw, Millsaps, and Centre all end up with one loss - who's the champion?

[Bill McCabe]

A bye-week, off-topic comment, if I may ...

Congratulations to the McMurry "Tribe" for a well-deserved win ... breaking three (bad)streaks at once in last Saturday's 45-21 win over ETBU.  For those unaware, I highly recommend this week's D3 Around the South column by Jason Bowen.

Link: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high

Having seen McMurry in action first-hand in week one, several of us Trinity parents remarked, "Wow, that's not the same team we saw last year!"  And, indeed, it is not.  A tip of the hat to Hal Mumme and his assistants for reviving the spirit in the football program at McMurry University and for the support of the administration, athletic department, and alumni there.  And, a special shout out to the McMurry players who continue to reach for excellence in the classroom and on the field of play, despite a long recent struggle for respect.  In the heat of our supporting our own team (and the relief of Trinity's narrow victory this season), we sometimes forget that these young men are just as dedicated and hungry for a win as our sons.  Perhaps, in some ways, moreso.  I commend you all ... you make us all proud.

Well done, McMurry!  I predict the ETBU result will not be your last victory this season, but an indicator of things to come for your program.  The ASC better watch their backs ... there's a Tribe on the loose in Abilene!!

To be politically correct, there is a McMurry on the loose.  No mascot anymore.    Go Tribe!

[Carl Menist]

The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?

I'll give it a shot:

1.  Prospects of Centre going undefeated - slim.  Road games at both Millsaps and Trinity?  Possibly without their starting QB?  I actually think they're catching a break this weekend with Birmingham-Southern not being a conference game - wouldn't surprise me at all if B-SC wins that game.

2.  One loss teams - DePauw and Millsaps. 

DePauw - only remaining road contest against Rhodes - that's a W.  The Texas duo has to travel to Greencastle - brutal.  I like DePauw in those games as well.  All this assumes team remains healthy.

Millsaps - They get Centre at home.  Rhodes and Sewanee are W's.

3.  Centre, Trinity, Austin - all with at least two losses.

In this scenario, DePauw would win the SCAC by virtue of head-to-head victory with Millsaps, correct?  I would be curious to see if Millsaps would earn a Pool C bid in this scenario.

If Centre beats Trinity, and DePauw, Millsaps, and Centre all end up with one loss - who's the champion?

In regard to the only 1 loss teams being Depauw and Millsaps, Depauw and Millsaps are Co-Champions and Depauw receives the NCAA Automatic Bid by virtue of the head to head competition

If there are three 1 loss teams, then all are Co-Champions and the tie break methodology spelled out on page 27 of the SCAC Fall Sports Operating Manual is applied. Following is the link to this policy-

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/policy/2009_SCAC_Fall_Operating_Manual.pdf

If there is a three way tie, it looks like some of the more esoteric tie breaks,which essentially centers on number of overall losses and strength of schedule, will need to be compiled. If this happens there are a few questions that beg for a little more interpretation -

1. How do you handle and compare the three schools records when Depauw and Centre have only a 9 game schedule and Millsaps 10?
2. Does the Birmingham Southern game count?
3. What about NAIA games? In or out?

There is still alot of football to be played. I think by October 24, the answers to these questions will be much clearer.

There is alot of parity in the league and anything can happen between now and the season's end.

Hope this is helpful!

[Ralph Turner]

About the only conference that can anticipate being in contention for a Pool C bid with two losses in the OAC.

Millsaps is sitting behind Mississippi College in the pecking order for a Pool C.  If Millsaps had won that game, then that would be a good one to have.

I doubt that the SCAC earns a Pool C bid.  As of now, I think that the Thomas More/W&J loser is the leading Pool C candidate to be at the table when Pool C bids are considered.

[LA Major]

My predictions are:
Millsaps and DePauw are the 1 loss teams with DPU getting the NCAA bid.
Centre with 2 losses...tough road schedule down the stretch.
TU with 2 losses. Yes AC will take the Tigers at home this year.

[rooski]

I predict my beloved Roos will not win the SCAC, or earn a playoff bid this year. But by golly, I'm behind 'em anyway!   ... On to "the mountain"!!

[DPU3619]

I know was kind of hashed above, but for DePauw to win the AQ, one of two things has to happen:

1) Centre loses twice, and DePauw wins the SCAC AQ at 6-1.

2) Centre loses only once to Millsaps and all three teams tie, at which point Millsaps is eliminated with two overall losses.  The AQ would then go to the team with the higher OWP.  So it's going to come down to what Anderson & Wabash can do as opposed to Hanover & Murvul.  DePauw's two non-confs are 4-4.  Centre's are 3-5.  Also in this scenario, DePauw HAS to win Bell game to get in against Wabash, which is probably going to 9-0.  Maybe 8-1 if Witt can do something crazy.

[PrayingColonel]

Hey Wes, I think you are mostly right, but I believe it says once one of the teams is eliminated in the three team scenario it reverts back to head to head which means Centre gets it over Depuw. At least thats the way I read it.

[frank_ezelle]

Those scenarios sound a little complicated.  I sort of like Trinity and Millsaps both winning out from here to finished tied at the top at 6-1.  Millsaps gets the AQ via head-to-head, and hopefully Trinity gets the trip to Belton--if they get in, you know that's where they will play in the first round.

Nice and simple and everybody's happy.  Okay, maybe half the teams near the top are happy, but let's not split hairs on this.

[DPU3619]

Yeah, you're right PC.  I missed that.  So  I think we've solved the situation to say that Centre wins the tiebreak with DePauw unless Centre, DePauw, and a 3rd team all end at 5-2 in the conference with an 7-2 (or 8-2) record. 

The most likely scenario to get that result is that Trinity loses at DePauw then beats Centre two weeks later.  Centre also has to lose at Millsaps.  If DePauw dropped another conference game to a team other than Trinity, we'd have 3 at 5-2 in the conference.  DePauw & Centre would be 7-2 and Trinity would be 8-2.  Then the tiebreak does go to the OWP as I stated above.  Azusa does not count for Trinity, so you've got 2 non-conference games for all 3 teams.

There are a few other scenarios that get 3 teams at the top at 6-2, but I don't think they're very likely.  Rhodes won't lose just once more with the 3 of the big 4 still left.  Austin still has DePauw & Trinity left.

In essence, here are the facts for the DPU fans in the room - Centre has to lose twice and DePauw has to win out in the conference.  If Centre doesn't lose twice, DePauw has to win the Bell game for the Pool C.