FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Gray Fox]

If travelling and politics weren't such a problem they would fit quite nicely with the half of the SCIAC that really doesn't want Chapman as a member.

[Ron Boerger]

GF, re the SCAC leftovers joining the ASC, there are a couple of factors.   One is that you have schools like Austin and Trinity that were once associated with the ASC (or the ASC's predecessor, the TIAA) and made a deliberate decision to leave.  Two is the perception - based in reality or not - that the ASC places a higher focus on athletics vs. academics.   The corollary to this - also based in reality or not - is that the SCAC schools can't consistently win against the ASC schools, so why put themselves back into that situation?   Ralph's public vs. private argument is an extension of that.

What will be key, if the four schools do leave the SCAC, is whether all the remaining schools are interested in remaining a conference.   For some sports, like football, the AQ would be lost.   Is that a big deal, given that, with the exception of Millsaps, it's been basically a decade since the conference won a first-round playoff game?   The schools with deeper pockets might even consider joining another conference; when you have to get on a plane for more than half your SCAC road games, anyway, what's the difference if you have to fly a little further?

It would be a great time to be a fly on the wall at the upcoming SCAC President's meeting.

[Ron Boerger]

This is, at least, an interesting coincidence given what we've been discussing:

Whitlock Appointed to NCAA Division III SAAC

Concordia University Texas junior soccer student-athlete Dalaine Whitlock has been appointed to the NCAA Division III Student-Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC), representing student-athletes from both the American Southwest Conference and the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference on the national committee.

Apparently this is nothing new; she replaces the previous SCAC-ASC joint rep from Rhodes. 

[cush]

good refresher, same story, different year:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/author/coyne/060809_scac

if i were running the show, i would have a two phased expansions to get up to 16 teams, 2 invites this year and 2 next year before contemplating a split. Who gets in this year? Not sure how you go about it but  I would aim for this format:

east: centre, georgetown, sewanee, rhodes, bsc, milsaps, berry, oglethorpe

west: dallas, austin, sw, trinity, hendrix, centenary, CC, team x

team x could be a lot of school's + you could shift milsaps to the west and add another eastern school. If after a few years, this format doesn't work, than have a clean split but in the meantime you buy about 5 more years as a league.

[Ralph Turner]

good refresher, same story, different year:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/author/coyne/060809_scac

if i were running the show, i would have a two phased expansions to get up to 16 teams, 2 invites this year and 2 next year before contemplating a split. Who gets in this year? Not sure how you go about it but  I would aim for this format:

east: centre, georgetown, sewanee, rhodes, bsc, millsaps, berry, oglethorpe

west: dallas, austin, sw, trinity, hendrix, centenary, CC, team x

team x could be a lot of school's + you could shift milsaps to the west and add another eastern school. If after a few years, this format doesn't work, than have a clean split but in the meantime you buy about 5 more years as a league.

Serious question...

why is Huntgingdon not under consideration as the "16th team" in the area. Are they somewhat compatible with the mission and vision issues?

Huntingdon is adding lacrosse.

The SCAC is counting on "stealing" Centenary from the ASC.  Was Centenary more acceptable to the West of the SCAC than the Eastern Division when they wished to move from D-1?

What if Mississippi College wished to join?

Would the SCAC take Huntingdon over Texas Lutheran or Concordia TX?

Hendrix gets pushed over into the West, which they seem to wish to leave.

[Ralph Turner]

GF, re the SCAC leftovers joining the ASC, there are a couple of factors.   One is that you have schools like Austin and Trinity that were once associated with the ASC (or the ASC's predecessor, the TIAA) and made a deliberate decision to leave.  Two is the perception - based in reality or not - that the ASC places a higher focus on athletics vs. academics.   The corollary to this - also based in reality or not - is that the SCAC schools can't consistently win against the ASC schools, so why put themselves back into that situation?   Ralph's public vs. private argument is an extension of that.

What will be key, if the four schools do leave the SCAC, is whether all the remaining schools are interested in remaining a conference.   For some sports, like football, the AQ would be lost.   Is that a big deal, given that, with the exception of Millsaps, it's been basically a decade since the conference won a first-round playoff game?   The schools with deeper pockets might even consider joining another conference; when you have to get on a plane for more than half your SCAC road games, anyway, what's the difference if you have to fly a little further?

It would be a great time to be a fly on the wall at the upcoming SCAC President's meeting.

A conference only needs 4 core members to maintain the AQ in a sport.  They could keep the former members as football affiliates to maintain the AQ.

[Ron Boerger]

Speculation from "Lou Brown" on the SCAC baseball board:

My sources say:

SCAC: Trinity, Southwestern, Austin, Dallas, Colorado (And some schools that will be annouced soon)


Other conference...possibly called the CAC (which is the old name of the SCAC)

Centre, Sewanee, Rhodes, BSC, Oglethorpe, Millsaps, Hendrix, Berry

You would think they would add 2 more schools for football.

No four football-playing members there.   Do Trinity and Austin try and find a conference to affiliate with?  Does Colorado bring football back if they find some other schools in Texas to join and keep the travel for all CC sports down a bit?

Does it make any sense to call a conference primarily in Texas the "Southern" CAC? 

[etg]

(El Tea Gray--re: 200 days to THE SHIP.)



June 1, 2011

Trinity Football Countdown

72 days to Report Day.
95 days to Week 1/Game 1.
123 days to an Open Date.
165 days to The SCAC Championship.
200 days to THE SHIP.


                                                                       

[etg]

(El Tea Gray--re: New/Expanded Conference.)


Why not try to expand the UAA with Trinity, Austin and another football playing school (high scholastic priority type).
Trinity was invited to join the UAA when they left the TIAA, but the then Trinity president wanted a conference where Trinity was the academic leader?
With schools like those in the UAA, I do not see that the previous academic thinking would be that necessary/correct at this time.

                                                                           

[cush]

IF they want to spin off that's a pretty good plan. I would say, the texas based league should be called the cac while the other grouping should keep the scac name.  Also, the two leagues could possilby have a joint football conference with affiliates, at least for a few years.  Centenary should be a lock for the texas league to get to 6, than ? to get up to 10, not sure why hendrix doesn't pair with the texas league either.

[Ron Boerger]

etg,  UAA schools are serious research institutions with major, significant graduate programs.  I believe that when Trinity left the TIAA, it had more of a graduate presence than it has today.  At some point during the Caalgard years, most of the graduate programs were jettisoned.   

Sans a significant graduate/research presence, I don't believe the UAA would be interested in anyone in the SCAC. 

[James Burk]

I am writing to let you know about our QB - #12 Christian Boese. Christian is class of 2012, stands a little over 6 feet and weighs 180 pounds. Christian has good arm strength, accuracy and decision making skills. He has worked extremely hard this off season and had a very productive spring ball. His work ethic is outstanding as well as his leadership abilities. His Junior year he threw for 1795 yards and 15 TD's. He has taken the ACT and got a 25 (he is taking again to improve on this score)on it and carries a GPA of 3.4. There is a link below that has some of his hi-lites from 2010.
Having played at the Division II & III level as well as having coached at the Div I and FCS level I feel confident in recommending Christian as a prospective quarterback for your program.

http://youtu.be/rzWvo7KDvOY

Thanks


 

[Ron Boerger]

I am writing to let you know

 

Maybe your boy should just contact the schools he's interested in himself.  Quit spamming this everywhere.

[Ralph Turner]

I am writing to let you know about our QB - #12 Christian Boese. Christian is class of 2012, stands a little over 6 feet and weighs 180 pounds. Christian has good arm strength, accuracy and decision making skills. He has worked extremely hard this off season and had a very productive spring ball. His work ethic is outstanding as well as his leadership abilities. His Junior year he threw for 1795 yards and 15 TD's. He has taken the ACT and got a 25 (he is taking again to improve on this score)on it and carries a GPA of 3.4. There is a link below that has some of his hi-lites from 2010.
Having played at the Division II & III level as well as having coached at the Div I and FCS level I feel confident in recommending Christian as a prospective quarterback for your program.

http://youtu.be/rzWvo7KDvOY

Thanks

The D-III way to do this is to contact the Admissions personnel at the schools that he would like to attend.  Arrange a visit with the faculty and coaches to see if these schools offer the education that he wants.

The financial aid package will be determined by the school, and will be in line with what "non-athletes" will receive.  Yes, you are playing one college's financial aid package off another, but the student-athlete needs to be comfortable with his choice of educational options.  The football will take care of itself.

Most of the schools in Texas may see as many as 80-100 freshmen players who want to play football at the D-III level.

Best wishes to Christian.  We wish him the best in finding his college.

[etg]

(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA for 2012 Football.)


Ron,
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions). I believe both Trinity and Austin will fit this criteria, leaving a now undecided third institution to be negotiated with. Believe-it-or-not, DePauw also fits this definition; I am just not sure how firm a commitment to the NCAC they have. Certainly an association with these other 6 (expanded UAA) institutions can only be considered a positive.

Trinity vs. UAA:

Chicago                1982-1991                  record  (4-1)
Washingtin U.      1975-2003                  record   (11-7)
Carnegie Mellon   1992-1993                  record   (1-1) 
Case Western      NA                               NA