FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Re:  Oglethorpe adding football.

Currently a 60:40 ratio women to men in the 1030 student body.

100 football players would change the gender ratio to 56:44, from 3 women to 2 guys down to 6 women to 5 guys.

I assume that Oglethorpe could use the extra enrollment and an extra $3.0M to $3.8 M in revenue.

http://www.petersons.com/college-search/oglethorpe-university-at-a-glance-000_10000230_10001.aspx

[Ron Boerger]

Re 'thorpe adding football:  this is as much a cultural decision as a financial one.  There is still a lot of disgust in Conway that HX is adding football.  The school leadership has to sell it pretty hard for it to happen. 

Southwestern and UDallas could make the same decision but would have to overcome the same reluctance to change. 

"And, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships."

Why did you write this, Ron?   

Why would you be concerned about a totally factual statement, made without any other comment, observation, shading, or value judgement?  

We have a lot of people here who don't know the SCAC, some of whom believe that Trinity dominates the conference because of the former dominance of the TU football program.   As pointed out, DePauw took over in recent years.   Besides DPU, Centre was pretty close to Trinity in the overall standings this year.    Schools that wanted to be competitive in the conference could be competitive.   There are some that didn't want to make the effort and IMO decided they wanted to play in their own little pool rather than step up their game.  

[evacuee]

I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

[Just Bill]

NAIA's Westminster Looking at D3 SCAC
www.theseniorreports.com/naiadiv3.htm

"The only school that has expressed an interest through us is Westminster College in Salt Lake City," Ralph said. "I know several of the Texas schools have received calls from potential new members."

Westminster is the southernmost school in the nine-member NAIA Frontier Conference, which is based in Montana. Such a move would require the Griffins to drop athletic scholarships, which may offset increased travel costs.

Yes, I'm sure the SCAC which just split up over extreme travel demands is JUST DYING to add a school from Utah.

[cush]

SCAC becomes WCAC!. At first, the idea of a utah school seemed unlikely, than i read that colorado newspaper story with the scac commish saying geography isn't a vital issue, so who knows. I like the idea of ok city u moving from naia. If you could have 5 or 6 texas school's to pair with CC, centenary, ok city u and why not westminster, i'll assume sw airlines flies to salt lake cheaply for 9-10 member league.  Another thought that crossed my mind is could the breakaway school's have a little devious plan Like getting back to 12 with invites to trinity, sw, austin and centenary. In that case, the new league would have nice 6 team divisions. Yet, that would seem to go against the rational for breaking up in the fist place. It does seem football could happen at berry, will be discussed next fall:

http://www.romenews-tribune.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Berry+among+several+schools+developing+a+new+NCAA+Division+III+conference%20&id=13904775

[Ron Boerger]

I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

Let's see.  SCAC standings?  Relevant to a discussion of why teams might leave.
Your fingernail clippings?  Totally irrelevant, as is most of your critique.

It's good to know I can count on you to willfully misconstrue anything I say that isn't 100% "Trinity is the most awesomest school in everything ever."  Don't go changing.  

[Ralph Turner]

SCAC becomes WCAC!. At first, the idea of a utah school seemed unlikely, than i read that colorado newspaper story with the scac commish saying geography isn't a vital issue, so who knows. I like the idea of ok city u moving from naia. If you could have 5 or 6 texas school's to pair with CC, centenary, ok city u and why not westminster, i'll assume sw airlines flies to salt lake cheaply for 9-10 member league.  Another thought that crossed my mind is could the breakaway school's have a little devious plan Like getting back to 12 with invites to trinity, sw, austin and centenary.  In that case, the new league would have nice 6 team divisions. Yet, that would seem to go against the rational for breaking up in the fist place. It does seem football could happen at berry, will be discussed next fall:

http://www.romenews-tribune.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Berry+among+several+schools+developing+a+new+NCAA+Division+III+conference%20&id=13904775

And Hendrix and Rhodes/Millsaps would be stuck with the same travel problems of going to Texas.

[evacuee]

If conference realignment had anything to do with schools trying to get a better chance to win, I think we would have seen this years ago.  Conference standings have nothing to do with this and no one thinks Trinity is dominant in all sports.  It is pure geography.

They aren't good anymore, and you're still on a crusade to make sure everyone knows it, just in case anyone forgot.  Do the results not speak for themselves? 

[Pat Coleman]

B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game 

This is a big assumption. It's never been tested like this before.

[Pat Coleman]

I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

Hmm... the conversation is about the SCAC. What's your beef here, that someone isn't bowing down to Trinity?

[cush]

 

e
Centre
Rhodes
sewanee
berry
oglethorpe
birmingham southern

w
milsaps
hendrix
centenary
austin
sw
trinity

if the above was the scac, it might have stuck together even though travel is still an issue.  Yet, i don't think such a league is in the cards now given the breakaway school's have more options to their liking in their footprint than in the past.  The texas side is close to critical mass but still needs some naia school's/d2 to switch and have more football programs. Centenary is the school to watch since it could align with either side but i doubt its days in the asc will be long. I wonder what the withdraw provisions are?

[Just Bill]

B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game 

This is a big assumption. It's never been tested like this before.

I mused on another board, that the SCAC likely has a minimum number of particiapting schools required to be considered a conference sport. If they do, than I would assume two is too few. So if the SCAC doesn't officially sponsor football, then they would have no AQ bid to hand out. I think that's a more likely scenario.

On the other hand, it might be fun if Austin and Trinity just played a best-of-7 series in Weeks 4-10 to determine the automatic qualifier. I vote for that.

[Pat Coleman]

Good point -- if they don't "sponsor" the sport then they can't hand out a bid in it.

[Pat Coleman]

Keith's analysis of the moves and what might follow is on our blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/06/09/after-the-scac-shuffle-whats-next/

[Ron Boerger]

Here's the Colorado daily's take on the #scacshuffle (good one, K-Mack):

The most significant news here is that the new conference apparently tried to take Dwayne Hanberry with them when they left.  That would have been a very easy move to make, but to his credit, Dwayne's staying with the SCAC.