FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[frank_ezelle]

While much of the talk of late has been about what will happen in the 2012 season, there is still a 2011 season to be played.  Millsaps has 5 articles on their website giving a preview of their incoming freshman class.  Here's a link to the 5th article.  You can find links to the first 4 articles at the bottom of this article:

http://gomajors.com/news/2011/7/1/FB_0701113601.aspx

Also note that the stories were written by James Hill, the interim SID.  Many of you have heard him in action since he did the webcasts for football, basketball, baseball, and maybe a few other Millsaps sports last year.

[etbu27]

I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.

[Ron Boerger]

I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.

Consider that the μSCAC is currently based entirely in TX (and CO).   Don't know if they would immediately seek out two schools in KY that aren't fully committed to D3 yet.  From what I have read elsewhere the Georgetown KY move to D3 is questionable - many schools can and do drop out during the exploratory process.  

Georgetown KY accepts 84% of those who apply, 25/75 SATs are 990-1160.   Both are low compared to the μSCAC membership.  The majority of Georgetown KY applicants submit ACTs rather than SATs; 25/75 composites are 21-27.  

KY Wesleyan accepts 65% of those who apply; 25/75 SATs, 890-1070; 25/75 ACTs (majority), 19-24.

Another factor is endowments, which provide one measure of a school's ability to support D3 athletics in a geographically widespread conference (especially since athletic fundraising for D3 is very hard).  KY Wesleyan, $23.2M; Georgetown KY. $39M.  

So, to make a long story short, these two don't seem to be likely candidates in any fashion.

[cush]

As for the 2 Kentucky school's, is it refering to them join the scac or the breakaway scac? I don't see the texas school's having any interest in them. Maybe the breakway scac might take one of them at most but centre might like being king of the hill in kentucky and not want any other school's from instate. Yet, going to 10 is probably the best # for a leauge, so i'm sure the breakaway and new/old scac will both target school's for expansion to get to 10, so who knows. I could see those 2 kentucky school's join the heartland bringing it to 12 members.

[Ron Boerger]

I think you're right, cush.  That new conference needs to come up with a new name pronto ... too d*** confusing.

Given the comments from Cloyd (now withdrawn, apparently) that some μSCAC school(s) did not meet the standards of the breakaway schools, the same would apply to these two schools.  Gordon Mann put up the admission standards for the "CAC" schools in another thread and both of these lag them. 

[Ralph Turner]

I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.

Consider that the μSCAC is currently based entirely in TX (and CO).   Don't know if they would immediately seek out two schools in KY that aren't fully committed to D3 yet.  From what I have read elsewhere the Georgetown KY move to D3 is questionable - many schools can and do drop out during the exploratory process.  

Georgetown KY accepts 84% of those who apply, 25/75 SATs are 990-1160.   Both are low compared to the μSCAC membership.  The majority of Georgetown KY applicants submit ACTs rather than SATs; 25/75 composites are 21-27.  

KY Wesleyan accepts 65% of those who apply; 25/75 SATs, 890-1070; 25/75 ACTs (majority), 19-24.

Another factor is endowments, which provide one measure of a school's ability to support D3 athletics in a geographically widespread conference (especially since athletic fundraising for D3 is very hard).  KY Wesleyan, $23.2M; Georgetown KY. $39M.  

So, to make a long story short, these two don't seem to be likely candidates in any fashion.

+1!

Thanks for the research.

You make a good case for those schools to end up somewhere other than the μSCAC.

I did not think that KWC was μSCAC material, but I thought that Georgetown might be in the next decade, by the time that they completed the probationary process, as early as summer 2016.

[Pat Coleman]

I think SCAC and SECAC or SCAC and NEWCAC would work in the interim.

[ADL70]

It seems to me that the potential new KY teams would be a better fit as southern expansion of the HCAC, which has Transylvania in Lexington (no FB) and Mt St Joseph in Cincinnati.

[yaya67]

While much of the talk of late has been about what will happen in the 2012 season, there is still a 2011 season to be played.  Millsaps has 5 articles on their website giving a preview of their incoming freshman class.  Here's a link to the 5th article.  You can find links to the first 4 articles at the bottom of this article:

http://gomajors.com/news/2011/7/1/FB_0701113601.aspx

Also note that the stories were written by James Hill, the interim SID.  Many of you have heard him in action since he did the webcasts for football, basketball, baseball, and maybe a few other Millsaps sports last year.

Here is the link for 2011 Austin College Football  players. Several chose D3 over D1 programs offered per Rivals.com and Scout.com
http://austincollegefootball.blogspot.com/

[yaya67]

It seems to me that the potential new KY teams would be a better fit as southern expansion of the HCAC, which has Transylvania in Lexington (no FB) and Mt St Joseph in Cincinnati.

+1

[Ralph Turner]

Welcome to the boards, yaya67.

[pmcbs]

We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   

[Ralph Turner]

We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   

Welcome to the boards, pmcbs.

I think that you are stuck with what you have.

There just aren't any schools who share the "mission and vision" issues that the old SCAC wanted in this part of the country. AC and UDallas strove for a decade to get into the SCAC. The prime NAIA schools in Oklahoma will look at "scholarship model" D-II when they are ready to leave the NAIA.

Go to a list such as the US News and World Report list to see how few schools there are. When you pared the list of schools for your son's experience, you were looking at the potential candidates for a "new" conference.  Your assessment yielded a similar result to what the college presidents and their boards would get for assembling that new conference.

[d3hendrixpop50]

Ralph,  You need to watch the Texas Whatever Friday Night Lights TV Show.....It has all the elements of the dilemma that you are facing and your son.  I feel for you.  I have a daughter going to Hendrix next year playing basketball....many times we make the best decision we can in life and life changes things.  Keep Strong!

[yaya67]

We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   

It was a difficult decision and hopefully we did the right thing. Time is truth and doors will open. The coaches at AC say it will be stronger and I have to believe in them. My son is also coming in after many offers and choosing AC of several D1 program offers. The academics are incredible and the degree they will hold will carry them far in life, coupled together by good choices. I have seen your son play and he is a talented player that follows through on his hits and delivers the defense a hard blow. He has good feet and agility for a guy his size. He will do well!! I also want to congratulate you on his character as I saw him pick up opposing team members from the field after hard fought battles.