FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.

[Pat Coleman]

Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.

Sure, but that would be the normal response, not the "everyone's out to screw Trinity" response that historymajor and, more often, ETG are notorious for.

[smedindy]

Mind you, as a Wabash alum, it was quite difficult for me to type those two posts.

[wabco]

Trinity

Understand the Dannies are ducking you.  Typical of their character.  They7 mwill, of course, have a miriad of DePauw-esk "reasons" to mask their desire not to (fear of?)play(ing) you.

Wabash has lived with the various manifestations of their character (or lack thereof) forever.  It is our destiny.  Now ... you better understand and are welcome to join our club.

   

[gil68]

wabco,
Your aspersions are ridiculous.

[willystyle]

What's an aspersion?

[Li'l Giant]

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

One entry found for aspersion.
Main Entry: as·per·sion
Pronunciation: &-'sp&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
1 : a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2 a : the act of calumniating b : a calumnious expression <cast aspersions on her integrity>

[Ralph Turner]

The greatest probability among the numerous possibilities is that TU and DPU end up as co-champs.  The SCAC deliberates the issue of the tie-breaker until 11pm  on Saturday November 12th, when they award the AQ to an 7-2 overall/6-2 South Region/5-0 SCAC DPU, which is smarting from the loss of the Monon Bell to Wabash.  The alleged tie-breaker was a 2-headed coin flip in which DPU called "heads".  (The astute understanding of the nature of the Selection committee is instrumental in the SCAC maximizing the number of options.  The ASC uses a coin-flip for breaking 3-way ties.  The higher SAT scores touted by the SCAC are responsible for the brilliance of the using of the 2-headed coin. )

Undefeated Trinity (9-0 overall/8-0 South Region/5-0 SCAC) gets a Pool C bid, hosts the one-loss ASC runner-up and gets their heads handed to them, again, (IMHO) in the first round of the TEXAS Sub-Bracket!

DPU gets to go on the road to MSJ who soundly defeats them.

Ahh, the speculation of the playoffs!  It is autumn again!

[exmajor]

or Centre, Millsaps, even Rose-Hulman beats one or both of these teams and makes this discussion pointless.

I know it is not the case, but alot of this banter assumes that Trinity and Depauw will easily run through the rest of the SCAC competition.  History says they will, but the 2005 season is present day, anything could happen right?

[wally_wabash]

I love Ralph's scenario...especially the part about Depauw losing to Wabash.  That's the most sensible thing I've read in days.   

But...how about this scenario...The logic behind giving AQs to conferences of 7 or more is that to win a conference wherein you have to play and be better than at least six teams is sufficient proof that you are playoff worthy.  Fewer than 7 teams, and there really isn't a sufficient sampling of conference play to deem anybody playoff worthy.  With that established...DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another.  So it's really as if DPU and Trinity are playing in a six-team conference.  I think it makes at least some sense to toss DPU and Trinity in with the Pool B folks if for no other reason than to avoid the nefarious "two-headed" coin scenario described by Ralph.  The SCAC doesn't have a tiebreaker for the undefeated co-champion scenario.  It seems unfair to the rest of the pool C folks to allow the SCAC to retroactively concoct a "tiebreaker" wherein they can give their auto bid to a two-loss Depauw team and have undefeated Trinity toss the dice with pool C, which wouldn't be much of a risk at all given the extra bids and Trinity's reputation. 

[etg]

Just to keep Pat happy, try this:

If both sets of Tigers (Trinity and DePauw) should in any manner qualify for the Playoffs (again, who really knows), then IMHO DePauw should be required to play Trinity in the First Round, at Trinity (where this season's regular game was to be played) and DePauw (not the NCAA) required to pay for their own plane fare to San Antonio as they would have for last week's regular game.

Result, Trinity and DePauw will get to settle this issue on the field, as they should, and the NCAA saves a tidy sum of travel money. IMO Trinity would support this solution; per Wabco, DePauw probably would not (who really cares, DePauw could again choose to not show-up)?

[smedindy]

My hunch is that if DPU and Wabash both make the playoffs - the NCAA will match 'em up. Just because.

[Ralph Turner]

Smed, and do you move the DPU-Bash playoff game to a stadium that can hold 15,000 fans for that game?

[Ralph Turner]

I do remember that one of the criteria in the old Southwest Conference for assigning the Cotton Bowl bid was "which team had been away from the Cotton Bowl the longest".  I think that was how Texas Tech got a bid one year.

At the mythical November 12th midnight meeting of the conference kahunas, the conference could just realize that Trinity has a Pool C bid sewn up and that DePauw's record would not likely get a Pool C bid.

That is a no-brainer...Declare co-champions.  Give the "A" to DePauw because Trinity had been there the previous year, and the year before that, and the year before that,  and the .... oh well you know what I mean, and let TU get the Pool C bid.  As it appears now, geographic proximty would have TU hosting the ASC runner-up anyway.

[Ron Boerger]

DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another. 

(a) You can't hang this on Trinity.  They were ready to play against anyone who showed up that day.  The decision to cancel was made by TPTB at DU.
(b) It is the conference (of seven teams) that will decide who its representative will be, not the individual schools involved.

Guys, chill out.  The conference IS working on a new tiebreaker and with luck it will be out before the weekend.