FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Ron Boerger]

Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks.   Spud had to go to the air, the Majors knew it and were lying in wait.  Spud's a youngun and isn't experienced enough yet to deal with that kind of a situation. 

In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts. 

According to the summary of the game on DPU's web site:

PASSING  Cmp-Att-Int  Yds  TD  Long  Sack 
Abe Winkle   12-20-4  68  0  14  1 
Spud Dick   13-20-1  123  1  31  1

Given that this is the only information I have and assuming it is accurate, then I don't know how badly he handled the situation.  Obviously, a loss is still a loss, but Spud threw only one of the five interceptions.

You're right, that's what listening to three different games on Saturday will do to one's memory.  Apologies to Spud. 

[wally_wabash]

I know I'm in a vast minority of Wabash fans that feels that way, and the other Wallies can call me what they want. It doesn't change what happened. And all that ultimately matters is the score.

I've called you all kinds of things, LG.  And not always because of this.   

Can't argue with anybody who says that Wabash should have called their plays in a different fashion after about the first 30 seconds of the game.  Nor will I argue that it had much of anything to do with Depauw running up six touchdowns.  But I'll give you some credit for admitting that it did happen as opposed to some of your DPU brethren who will deny until the day they die that there was ever any controversy and subsequent NCAA ruling on said controversy.....

I've not seen teams run up and down the field on Wabash like this since you guys got in our playbook in '98. 

You mentioning that reminded me of Coach Nick's story about your highfalutin theory, there.  That gave me a good chuckle.  Thanks for that.

[4thANDaLONG4]

Well, It is great to be missed.  A few topics to discuss.  First, Rogers dismissal affects this years team, and next years team.  Reason(s):

1:  The new coaches aren't that experienced (good)
2:  They don't recruit well, that is a fact
3:  The kids are aware of all that is going on

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, the guilty know who they are, and I wish the rest of them the best of luck.

Subject 2, Knucklehead idiots fighting at football games.

1:  The ones fighting aren't even the athletes
2:  I am a Bash grad, and our knucleheads weren't athletes.
3:  I have been to more DPU and Wabash games, than just about all of you (35), and the behavior has been that way for years, the idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).
4:  It won't change

I hope DePauw does as well as possible, except against "Dear Old Wabash", I hope idiot frat boys get a clue, and I hope the guilty get what they deserve.  (Hey Lil' Giant you going to the game this year).  Ohy, yes I am Tim Rogers friend, and yes I am in the know.l

[Li'l Giant]

Hey Lil' Giant you going to the game this year

Nope. I've taken enough time off from work this year that I can't really justify another couple of missed days. I'll be watching from the SA telecast party.

the idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).

This is the first time in a long time it's been good to be a GDI.

What you describe doesn't just happen at Wabash and Depauw. It happens everywhere there is a rivalry. I know plenty of Longhorns and Aggies that take the Thanksgiving (aka T+1) game as personally as the players. Even moreso sometimes.

[wally_wabash]

RE: knucklehead fans in general and specifically knucklehead fans from the '96 and '98 "incidents" at the Bell game....just want to be clear that I was in no way pointing the finger in anybody's direction.  Nobody is/was right in those situations.  Not even LG.   

[Li'l Giant]

Not even LG.

Especially not me. It was my least proud moment of college. And THAT is saying something.

[Werner99]

RE: knucklehead fans in general and specifically knucklehead fans from the '96 and '98 "incidents" at the Bell game....just want to be clear that I was in no way pointing the finger in anybody's direction.  Nobody is/was right in those situations.  Not even LG.  

Wally, You were clear.

I appreciate the SCAC posters allowing the rest of us to talk about what did and did not happen 10 years ago against our biggest rival.  I have a feeling we will be revisiting this for at least another 10 years so it will be interesting how much is remembered about what happened at that point!  As you can tell, we are able to be civil even though the sting of the memories (1994 and 1995 for me) are vivid enough to make me sick and the joy of the victories (1996 & 1997) are too good to describe.

We will move the discussion to another thread as the game gets closer.  This is just a little preview of what is about to happen in three weeks!

As far as Rogers, I will avoid judgement until all the facts are released.  However, I can't emphasize enough how important the seniors are to this team.  They have endured an experience that few others in any level of college football have experienced.  How well the team responds after being knocked out of contention for the playoffs and conference title will speak to their character and leadership.

[DPU3619]

Well, It is great to be missed.  

I know I did, that's for sure. 

[scotty]

Well, It is great to be missed.  A few topics to discuss.  First, Rogers dismissal affects this years team, and next years team.  Reason(s):

1:  The new coaches aren't that experienced (good)
2:  They don't recruit well, that is a fact
3:  The kids are aware of all that is going on

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, the guilty know who they are, and I wish the rest of them the best of luck.

are you saying Rogers and Kaz were good recruiters 

[DPU3619]

3:  I have been to more DPU and Wabash games, than just about all of you (35), and the behavior has been that way for years, the idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).

I guess I'm confused at what you're implying here.  I take very little credit for 2004.  I was just happy to be a part of it.  Was a pretty cool deal to stand on the sideline and be a part of the team that won the Bell.  One of the greatest moments in my lifetime. 

I haven't been to as many Bell games as you, but I've been to many of them.  I grew up in Putnam County and have been a part of this rivalry for quite some time.  It really did mean a lot to me to be a "part" (I use that term loosely) of the staff that worked for Coach Lynch. 

I had the upmost respect for Coach Lynch, as I did for Coach Rogers, and I do now for Coach Walk.  I honestly don't have a bad thing to say about any of them.  I have not and will not criticize them, any other Coach or player. 

I'll be the first to admit that I was somewhat affected by the Greencastle rumor mill and passed a judgement or two on Coach Rogers immediately following his firing that I now regret.  I have seen a copy of the suit and certainly wish him the best in his fight.

I will say this.  If everything in the suit turns out to be true, I'm going to be one pissed off alum that I just gave that school about $120,000 of my money.

[4thANDaLONG4]

Well,

Kaz can't recruit, that's why he went to Butler.  Rogers could, I believe, if they would have given him a chance.  I think they have one guy from way up north who busts his butt, but other than that, they'll be very mediocre.  Nick could close the deal, Billy ( I guess) could close the deal, but they had clout, what does Walker have, a winning Baseball record.  Oh well, just my opinion, and Walker is getting NO HELP from his asst's, everyone knows that.

[4thANDaLONG4]

DPU 3619,

Maybe i am to hard on you.  I assume you are a good person.  I, this may be flawed, only viewed the team members as part of the team.  I am sure you did your job, but what i was alluding to was the "hangers on."  Never could stand'em.  Coach Nick, known him since he came here, Lynch, din't know him, but family did, Liked them a bunch.  Walker, I think the world of, great kid, great family, and a good "DePauw" man.  I wish him nothing but the best, the deal is what he was given, what "they" wanted to give T Rogers, NO HELP.

I appreciate your dedication to your school, but, at some point you need to look at the whole picture (I think you are beginning to look, check those public records).

[DPU3619]

I assume you are a good person. 

Just not to Wabash or their kind.  That's all.

[4thANDaLONG4]

DPU3619,

Typical, you non athletes internalize this rivalry like you have earned it.  I appreciate you do your job.  But your job has no affect on the game.  Both schools are great institutions, true.  But let the players recall the rivalry, after all, they are the reason it exists, true.  Oh, and I can't be as short sighted as you, a large portion of my family graduated from DePauw, and embrace them even because of that ( just kidding, DPU is great, they paid for me to go to college, and I was there a short while).

[scotty]

Well,

Kaz can't recruit, that's why he went to Butler.  Rogers could, I believe, if they would have given him a chance.  I think they have one guy from way up north who busts his butt, but other than that, they'll be very mediocre.  Nick could close the deal, Billy ( I guess) could close the deal, but they had clout, what does Walker have, a winning Baseball record.  Oh well, just my opinion, and Walker is getting NO HELP from his asst's, everyone knows that.

well...we agree on Kaz...imo Rogers was too "Chicago"...folks don't understand how recruiting skills are so valuable at D3...i like your reference to "closing the deal"