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[depauwtigers1]

O.K. I know what Abe has been thru and done.  But Spud must have more talents.  If so, you get him to win and before you know it, you have a starter who wins you games and has three years to beat everyone on the schedule.  I like Abe, but you have to put the best athlete on the field and coach him on the run.
Just my opinion buddy.

[HoosierQBScout]

Why is Spud sharing duties?  Because the staff will not just make him the chief, ruffle some feathers and improve as a football team.  Just keep tap dancing to keep everyone warm and fuzzy.  Guess what happens,  you get trounced by a team that you beat 51-14 last season.  

While perhaps not stated as directly as you put it there...it is a sentiment I have heard from others.

You should be glad to have the Mulligan kid catching balls for DePauw.

Mulligan can be an All American....really, really good D III receiver.

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I'll take the QB that's been at practice at a D3 school every day for two years over the kid that's playing four years of high school football at Lawrence Central in Indy.  The fact is, I want this team to win now.

With all due respect, I think "winning now' IS the point. The young kid, despite the rotation, has made plays. I was at the Sewanne game when they spread the field a bit---he threw for 150 yards---hit 8 or 9 in a row---in just 3 series in the first half. Then came the roation thing which was confusing to everyone I was sitting around. I certainly haven't been to every game, but my guess is his numbers on the year are quite a bit better, too. Having played the position and coached it---it's fine to give the benefit of the doubt to the older guy---but when it's decision time---you go with the guy who's going to get the job done...both short and long term.

[DPU3619]

Having played the position and coached it---it's fine to give the benefit of the doubt to the older guy---but when it's decision time---you go with the guy who's going to get the job done...both short and long term.

No disrespect taken, friend.

I will agree that as a true passer Spud seems to be a very talented QB.  And perhaps now that it is apparent that there is no shot for DePauw to make the playoffs, it is time for the youngster to take his licks. 

I've seen Abe do some Wiethoff-esque (for lack of a better term) things with his feet a few times.  He might be the better choice for a running team who likes to run option and things of like.  I've only seen a couple of DPU games this year, and didn't see a lot of option or QB draws or things of that nature.

I was originally concerned that throwing Spud into the fire and watching him make mistakes would ultimately be bad for the team.  At this point, there's not a lot left to lose except a certain aforementioned contest on the 11th. 

I certainly do see your opinion.  Spud's going to be a very good QB for DePauw over the next few years.  He and Mulligan are going to be a very nice pitch and catch combo for the next 3+.

Perhaps I'm a bit of a conservative when it comes to strategy and the like.  Throw the veteran out there.  I'm old school, I suppose you could say.

[depauwtigers1]

Scotty,
  I bet there are a good number of players on the Tiger squad from outside the Indiana state border.  DePauw has tremendous appeal to football prosects from Chicago, St. Louis, Cincy, Indy, and Detroit Metro.  Though it is important to do right in the home state, the football program has national recruiting prowess.  There are players from Texas and Florida on the squad.  This is a much larger picture than just the state of Indiana.  Heck, Wabash's whole secondary from last year mostly came from Arizona. One corner was from Indy.  I know our secondary would not be as good without Berigan, Pruitt, and C. Clark from last year's team.

[scotty]

Scotty,
  I bet there are a good number of players on the Tiger squad from outside the Indiana state border.  DePauw has tremendous appeal to football prosects from Chicago, St. Louis, Cincy, Indy, and Detroit Metro.  Though it is important to do right in the home state, the football program has national recruiting prowess.  There are players from Texas and Florida on the squad.  This is a much larger picture than just the state of Indiana.  Heck, Wabash's whole secondary from last year mostly came from Arizona. One corner was from Indy.  I know our secondary would not be as good without Berigan, Pruitt, and C. Clark from last year's team.

agree 100% with your comments...but when you are recruiting your #1 or #2 prospect, quit talking about yourself, your new house, how much money you are making in regards to the cost of living...and SELL THE F'ING SCHOOL PAL...Rogers was not "ready" for his position imho...

[HoosierQBScout]

DPU3619---
I respect your opinon and don't have a problem with it.  But at the risk of being a geek---I looked up the stats on the DePauw site to point out it's not about throwing a young guy in there and taking licks and making mistakes. It sounds to me as though he's been making plays with limited mistakes---it is the rotation that has hurt the team and, probably, both QB's. Winkle does a nice job---don't get me wrong.... but the numbers seem to point to the youngster:

Efficiency 131.8   vs.   88
Passing Yards Per game  124.2   vs.   48.4
Completion %  60.4   vs.   53
Interceptions   2   vs.   6

We can agree to disagree...   

[scotty]

is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...

[depauwtigers1]

DePauw won the SCAC.  How could the team be SCAC co-champs if TR was not ready for the job.  After the Tigers trounced Hope in 2006, the Hope Head Ball Coach told TR "That was the best coached DePauw Football Team he ever played."  It sounds like you have an issue with one recruiting situation.  That story does not sound like his recruiting style at all.  Just my personal opinion.

[depauwtigers1]

is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...

No it is not! 

[depauwtigers1]

"I'm also told that there's some pretty damning evidence against the University in this situation.  My source seemed very surprised at some of the things that were unearthed.  I hope to get a peek at all these public records in the next couple days. 

Perhaps some of the things that the 4thandalong4 had to say aren't exactly that far off base.  Doesn't make me like him anymore, though.
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There is so much with this deal 3619.  DPU really spit the bit with getting the program going in the right direction

[DPU3619]

Efficiency 131.8   vs.   88
Passing Yards Per game  124.2   vs.   48.4
Completion %  60.4   vs.   53
Interceptions   2   vs.   6

Touche.  Very well done.

To end this discussion, I'll say that I find Abe to better a runner than Spud, but Abe has not been used in that manner.  His passing numbers are worse than Spud's, and that does not surprise me in the least.

[DPU3619]

There is so much with this deal 3619. 

That fact is one which I will not dispute.

[DPULefty22]

is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...

No it is not! 

Wow, convincing argument. Way to back it up with statisical analysis, visual observations, and the like... oh, wait a second...

Look, I liked Coach Rogers. He was a nice man and, it seemed, a good football coach. But I like Coach Walker, too. He's one of the nicest guys I've ever dealt with around the school and he's done some good things with this team himself. So you'll have to excuse me for not exactly being willing to turn this into an issue where you're either with Rogers or against him, because I'm certainly neither.

[HoosierQBScout]

dpu3619...fair enough.

[4thANDaLONG4]

DePauwTigers1- They won the SCAC in 2005 not 2006.
Scotty- "Rogers was not ready for the position", you must be good friends with current HFC or a relative because that is what he was telling the Crawfordsville natives. I would be interested in what evidence exists that he was not ready. These are the facts that I am aware of: winningest coach in the modern era at Kalamazoo College, offensive coordinator at Cornell University who posted the biggest turnaround in Ivy League history while he was there and took the DePauw Tigers to an undefeated SCAC Championship in 2005. Why was he not qualified? How is the current ADEQUATE HFC more qualified?