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[TigerDad]

Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

I think, as has been previously stated, that more football in San Antonio is a good thing for athletes, especially those who might depend upon scholarships to attend college.  I don't see UTSA, UIW, or St. Mary's as problems for Trinity ... only motivation and increasing value.  When your neighbor adds value, the whole neighborhood benefits.  Perhaps San Antonio might be recognized as a legitimate football powerhouse city someday?

It's an annual struggle at Trinity to find good athletes who meet the ever-increasing academic qualifications for admission.  And yet, the Tigers somehow manage to field excellent teams in many sports each season ... a tip of my cap to the TU administration, academics and athletics staffers. 

This, my friends, is what Division III is all about ... and why I'm glad to promote and defend it whenever possible.  I'm guessing we can all agree on that on this board!   

[Warren Thompson]

Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

You got that right, TigerDad. There was a time when Trinity was no great shakes academically (and, in fact, might well have been inferior to the rigors of Catholic education at St. Mary's, UIW, and Our Lady of the Lake).

Triniity has been "elite" -- or what passes for such -- only in relatively recent years .... 

[evacuee]

That was the first I had heard of UIW being disparaged.  It seems to serve the community pretty well and certainly never interfered with Trinity while I was there.  What's so bad about it? 

 

[Warren Thompson]

What's so bad about it? 

In fact, there's nothing "so bad about it" [i.e., UIW]. Trinity has its own place in the academic scheme of things, as does UIW.

Each of these venues has its own particular mission and objectives; by definition, neither is necessarily better or worse than the other, all things considered, no matter what certain parties may claim. Higher education is a very large tent, with a highly diverse collation of students and their aspirations.

[Li'l Giant]

That was the first I had heard of UIW being disparaged.  It seems to serve the community pretty well and certainly never interfered with Trinity while I was there.  What's so bad about it?   

UIW benefits from a great president. That school was teetering on the edge of closure before Agnese took over. St. Mary's and OLLU (especially) could use a guy like Agnese.

Being a life-long San Antonian I have friends and family that have attended every college in town. They each have their merits and their place in the educational fabric of the city.

OLLU is adding soccer and track and will, I'm sure, eventually add more sports. I'd like to see more of this, especially in football. I'd like to see SA be a place where college football thrives.

And with what Trinity has done it would certainly be the model that any new teams would want to emulate.

[tTU719803]

Is UIW truly "worthless," as claimed above ... or are we being treated to some snobbishness from their neighbors on Hildebrand Avenue?

Sorry, not a TU alum - just know a lot about it.  I went to Incarnate word for a year.  I speak from a first hand experience.  It is poorly run with subpar faculty and I learned more in a semester in high school than I did in my whole time there.

[exmajor]

Thought this was a nice article Sporting News did on Coach Dubose and Millsaps College.  Here is the link, just something to check out while we wait for August to get here.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=198329

[frank_ezelle]

Thanks for the post on the Coach DuBose article.  Millsaps had a program Monday to honor the graduating senior athletes.  Each coach got up and spoke just a little about the seniors on their team. 

It was the first time I had heard Coach DuBose address a group and he was really impressive.  There were 8 seniors graduating from the football team and he talked about how much those seniors had done by sticking with the team and holding things together through the hard times.  He talked about wanting to build a program that had 20-25 seniors being honored each year, not just 8.  He certainly sounded like a man who is happy with his situation and planning on staying for a while--and I certainly hope that this is the case.  It should be very interesting to see just how the recruiting goes this year and how the team plays next year.

[Ron Boerger]

Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

You got that right, TigerDad. There was a time when Trinity was no great shakes academically (and, in fact, might well have been inferior to the rigors of Catholic education at St. Mary's, UIW, and Our Lady of the Lake).

Triniity has been "elite" -- or what passes for such -- only in relatively recent years .... 

A transition that began with the Ron Caalgard presidency, which started a year after I did.  Prior to that, Trinity was promoted as "The University in the Sun."  There were good academics in spots but it's a much better school today - academically, athletically, financially - than it was 25-30 years ago. 

[evacuee]

Conversely, the football stadium was better pre-Calgaard.  Bonzo, do you have any new word on that situation?  Maybe it will help keep Coach Mohr around. 

[gordonmann]

Interesting news out of Arkansas about Hendrix possibly adding football...

http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=10454

[DPU3619]

Interesting news out of Arkansas about Hendrix possibly adding football...

What are all those kids that wear those "Hendrix Football - Undefeated Since 1960" shirts going to do? 

[INQBScout]

What are all those kids that wear those "Hendrix Football - Undefeated Since 1960" shirts going to do? 

good one....

[DPU3619]

In all seriousness...

I know this is only a feasibility study, and we're still a long way off from anything close to football at Hendrix, but I wouldn't be a big fan of it. 

If you throw another team on the conference schedule, every team would only play one non-conference game.  Doesn't that make it increasingly hard to schedule quality non-conf opponents?  DPU obv. has Wabash at the end, which if you beat those guys, it goes a long way to helping the case for a Pool C, but what does a Millsaps or a Trinity do if they don't win the conference and are looking to get a Pool C?  It's already bad enough that each team is only playing two non-conf teams.

[Ralph Turner]

Here are the data from Peterson's on Hendrix.

School Type
Independent United Methodist, Coed 


Setting
Suburban 158-acre campus with easy access to Little Rock 


Degrees Offered
Bachelor's and Master's 


Comprehensive Cost
$29,654 includes full-time tuition ($22,616), mandatory fees ($300), and room and board ($6738). Full-time tuition and fees vary according to course load. Part-time tuition: $716 per credit hour. Part-time tuition and fees vary according to course load
(Cost includes full-time tuition plus additional fees such as room and board and mandatory fees)   


Entrance Difficulty
Very difficult , 85% of applicants were admitted 


Application Deadlines
8/1 (freshmen), 8/1 (transfers)

Undergraduate Student Population
1,088 undergraduate students, 55% women, 45% men, 1% transferred in

Minority Breakdown
5% African American, 3% Asian American or Pacific Islander, 3% Hispanic American, 0.7% Native American

International Population
0.7% representing 6 other countries

Housing Info
81% live on campus

I speculate that the Board of Trustees at Hendrix is looking at a budget that performs much better art 1200 pupils.

If we add another 80 males and 20 females, not that unusual, especially if we are talking Lacrosse as well, then we are at nearly 1200 pupils.  If we assume that Hendrix is only discounting their tuition by 25%, then $17K in tuition times 100 pupils is $1.7M.  That is a big help to the bottom line, and it moves the gender ratio to 598 women for 490 men to 618 women for 570 men, almost 51:49.