FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[Toby Taff]

I'm not sure now.  My last 2 years at UMHB were 5-6k/semester for tuition, but tuition has increased every year since.  HSU is a little different, I've received full tuition scholarships for both Master's degree programs so I don't pay nearly as much attention, but HSU freezes tuition upon matriculation.  What you start at day 1 as a freshman remains your tuition as long as you continuously attend. So if you get a masters following a Bachelor's your tuition is the same as long as you don't take a semester off.

[oldmoose]

SCAC announces 2007 All-Conference Football Team
November 20, 2007

http://www.scac-online.org/football/07all-scac.htm

[HunterT]

I'm not trying to start a fight, let me just say that first. 

But... the pick for SCAC Defensive POTY is a little frustrating to me. Desmond Hendricks in my opinion should be without a doubt (or a tie) the D-POTY hands down. He leads the conference in tackles for loss and sacks this season, and ranked in the top 16 in each of those categories nationally. His stats are in the top in almost every defensive category possible for the conference. I don't understand the tie...

For contrasting purposes:
                                 Hendricks                       Casey Younger (co D-POTY)
sacks                            10.5                                       7
TFL                                19                                        11
solo tackels                     44                                        23
assisted tackles               25                                        22
total tackles                    69                                        45

Hendricks also has 2 FF and 3 FR on the season, one for a TD.

These are the stats taken directly from the SCAC release for the voting. Hendricks leads in all categories, and the one that jumps out the most is the comparison in total tackles. Younger had 45 total, Hendricks had 44 SOLO! That's a big comparison in my mind.

Like I said, I'm not trying to start a fight, but this is a little frustrating that a player can be snubbed (for lack of a better word) because his team does not succeed even though he has obviously done his best and been successful at playing this season.

I'm asking for other opinions politely, and apologize in advance if this rubs the wrong way for some people. Just a little frustrated and surprised.

Congrats to the rest of the players voted to All-SCAC.

[frank_ezelle]

Hunter--The numbers certainly support your argument and I remember Desmond Hendricks making some big plays against Millsaps.  On the flip side, sometimes the numbers don't tell the entire story.

For Younger, he was sharing tackles with a lot of very good teammates.  All of the numbers for the Millsaps players were down as they had more depth and the stats were spread out amongst more players.  Also, in many games Millsaps started subbing the starters out early because of the game score and I suspect that Desmond played to the end of virtually every game.   That certainly would make a difference in the overall stats.

In my opinion, they both are great players and I remember that Adam Hay was in a ton of photos that I took when Millsaps played Centre.  In all the SCAC sports I would find it just about impossible to pick an all-SCAC team because there is so much talent and us fans don't get to see any of the other teams more than once or not at all.

The one thing that I thought was interesting was Coach Mohr with the Coach of the Year award and Coach DuBose with no votes.  I totally understand that voting pattern, but if Millsaps had left Trinity with time for one final play and the miracle play had not happened, would DuBose have been voted Coach of the Year for his second straight undefeated SCAC season?  I think he would have which shows the fine line in some of this voting.

[Pat Coleman]

Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.

[LA Major]

Hunter
I agree with Frank on this one. Desmond had a great year for Rhodes and should be recognized for his singular effort in my opinion. He had a POW award the week before the Millsaps game to have a subpar game in Jackson that week. That was my only look at him this year. He was very effective in 06 in Memphis and I am sure he will be ready to roll next year.
Casey was the difference maker with the SCAC leading defense and deserves all of the honors he gets. The Millsaps D was tough all year and their stats include 2nd,3rd and 4th team players that got lots of time on the field. Casey led the defense that led the SCAC and was conference Co-Champs. Not be be offensive to you or Desmond but I am glad the coaches recognized Casey's incredible effort, leadership and value to the Majors.
Both represent the SCAC and their teams well.
Pat, we don't know if that played into that vote nor should it take away anything from Coach Mohr. I have said that week 1 could come back to haunt us and it did. Millsaps has a very good team and at 8-2, to some extent, underacheived. I am looking forward to 08 and an improved SCAC.

[DPU3619]

Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.

I think that's a fair point.  And it's a point that I would be forced to weigh with a great deal of care if I were casting a vote on Coach of the Year.  In fact, I would be probably consider it even if the Trinity game went the other way.

[Ralph Turner]

I consider Coach of the Year on the winner of the TU-Saps game.

Coach DuBose is building a program, and the team goes thru the SCAC undefeated.

Coach Mohr rolls into Jackson needing win for a share of the title and a playoff berth, and pulls it off.

A high stakes game! 

[frank_ezelle]

Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.

I agree that it is a fair point and I definitely think it was considered in the voting in that DuBose got no votes.  And I don't know if Wes is right or not, but I could see some people not voting for DuBose even if he had won the Trinity game and had finished 9-1 instead of 10-0.

But, I do think that DuBose would have gotten the coach of the year if Millsaps had won the Trinity game because that would have put Millsaps as the league champions by a 2-game margin, it would have left Millsaps undefeated in the SCAC under DuBose, and it would have minimized the effects of losing that first game of the season since Millsaps would have been in the playoffs and in the top 10-20 in the rankings.

Don't anyone get me wrong and think that I'm saying DuBose should have won this season given the final results of the season.  I'm just saying that I think the miracle play by itself kept him from winning the award.  To be honest, I thought that play was going to swing the offensive player of the year from Juan Joseph to Blake Barmore even though it was just one play out of hundreds--such is the difference between winning and losing.

[DPU3619]

I agree that it is a fair point and I definitely think it was considered in the voting in that DuBose got no votes.  And I don't know if Wes is right or not, but I could see some people not voting for DuBose even if he had won the Trinity game and had finished 9-1 instead of 10-0.

Just for the sake of being clear, I'm not saying that I wouldn't vote for DuBose.  You could make a great case for either candidate.

I dunno who I'd vote for if I had the choice.  I'd certainly have to give it some thought.  My point was that the first game of the year would have to be seriously considered in my decision marking process.

[frank_ezelle]

Wes, I took your post as just a valid point being made, and I agree that it is a very valid point.  As it turned out, with Trinity finishing 9-1 and winning on the road at Millsaps, and Millsaps finishing 8-2 and losing at home to Trinity, the choice of Coach Mohr as COY was fairly simple. 

From a Millsaps point of view, I think the most interesting vote was Marcus Harris dropping from 1st team SCAC in 2006 to HM in 2007.  I believe he was the victim of his own success and his dropoff in numbers this year was simply because he played too well last year--you can't pick off or break up many passes if the opposing team is afraid to throw it your way.  I don't have any stats on how many balls were thown in his direction but I don't remember many times when his man caught a pass.

(And with that being said, I realize that post season honors are heavily based on stats so I'm not surprised that Marcus fell out of his 1st team SCAC rating--I'm just glad he'll be roaming the Millsaps defensive backfield for another year.)

[oldmoose]

Since several BSC players were honored, I will assume that Joey Jones was eligible for Coach of the Year.  If he had pulled off a couple of those close games with Rhodes, Centre, DePauw, and Colorado College with essentially a freshman team, do you think he would have gotten some votes?

[INQBScout]

If he had pulled off a couple of those close games with Rhodes, Centre, DePauw, and Colorado College with essentially a freshman team, do you think he would have gotten some votes?

If my aunt had ba**s, she'd be my uncle. 

But seriously---kudos to Joey Jones, his staff, etc...I know it's been said before, but I think BSC is goingto be a force to reckon with and soon.

[MajorAlum80]

I think some guys have hit on a few points about the Hendricks/Younger debate.

You also have to remember that you cannot compare stats for a DT and LB.  A linebacker has many, many more chances to make tackles.  There's no comparing Hendricks' and Younger's stats but in terms of who played their position the best, I think you could say they were fairly equal. 

If anyone has a gripe about that award, it is Hay from Centre.  If you didn't get to see him play this year, you missed out.

[Pat Coleman]

(And with that being said, I realize that post season honors are heavily based on stats so I'm not surprised that Marcus fell out of his 1st team SCAC rating--I'm just glad he'll be roaming the Millsaps defensive backfield for another year.)

You think this is the case? I don't get that impression so much with all-conference teams. Weekly honor roll, sure. But coaches watch several games of each team in person and on tape. I would think they know who plays well regardless of their stats.