FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[DPU3619]

Penalties-Yards...............     4-30     5-55

For all this bitching, you'd think the 5-55 was DePauw.  It was TU.   4 penalties on one side, 5 on the other.  Pretty even in numbers, but not yards.  That's the way it goes.

I doubt quite seriously that anyone in the booth purposely kept the clock running.  Maybe the guy on the field didn't signal to stop it.  I have no idea.  Incompetence?  Maybe they messed up in DePauw's favor as well yesterday at times.  

It had little to nothing to determine the outcome.  

I don't care about the outcome.  At the rate we're going, DePauw couldn't beat Trinity anywhere on this planet even if Nick Mourouzis was the head referee.  I'm not bitter that Trinity played better.  I'm not bitter that DePauw's given them nearly half a hundred two years in a row.

I care about your university providing a fair and equal opportunity for both teams to win a football game while strictly adhering to the rulebook.  Isn't that really the ONLY responsibility that an official has?  Knowing the rules?  If he's not doing that, then the what the hell is he doing?  The fact that you can't recognize that such a thing occured is apalling to me.  Maybe they did mess up in DePauw's favor.  That's just as bad.  Screwing it up for both doesn't make it more better, as my old man used to say.  Just get it right.  Particularly when somebody points out exactly what rule you're screwing up and you ignore them so you can continue to screw it up more.  Somebody needs to end the streak of those guys officiating eleventy Trinity games in a row and get a crew in there who has a clue about the rules.  There's a clear conflict of interest there even if they are good officials, but that's not my point.

It's going to be a real shame when Millsaps comes to town and everybody's good friends, the same old Trinity officiating crew, screw something up like they did on Saturday and it does actually affect the outcome.  What an enormous embarassment that would be for this entire conference in what may be it's biggest game ever.

[frank_ezelle]

Millsaps moves up to #8 in the D3football poll.  I have to think that is reflective more of the results in San Antonio and Belton than the result in Jackson this Saturday.

[TigerDad]

Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

Maybe so, TXMike, but that was a very condescending comment.  Let me assure you that other folks on this board may "know" more or less than you or I do about football.  I don't think Tex is really uninformed just because he disagrees with some of the earlier posts, do you?  He. like many of us, was at the game and is just as entitled to his analysis as you are yours.  I thought the officiating was sub-par, but that Trinity beat DePauw fair and square.

[MajorDad]

Frank, It's nice to see the SCAC getting some love in the DIII poll. With Milsaps @ 8 and Trinity @ 14, Nov1 is shaping up to be a gateway for Milsaps to break into top 5 or Trinity to get into the top ten. What I am concerned about the most is our defensive play over last 2 weeks. Granted Coach Dubose has subbed pretty heavily in the final quarter of those games, they just haven't looked as good as they did in first half of season. This bye week comes at the perfect time to see if we can heal prior to Trinity. I hope Dubose and crew work hard on conditioning the 1st string for a full 60 minutes of play.  I am excited to say that Hotel, Air and Car are locked in for the trip to SA, this one I'm not going to miss. We may as well enjoy this season. If Millsaps wins this game and wins out the regualr season, I would expect Mike Dubose to be standing on a different sideline come next Sep. DII or possibly DI. Who knows, poor old Clemson couls sure use his talent not to mention a few others.....

[TXMike]

Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

Maybe so, TXMike, but that was a very condescending comment.  Let me assure you that other folks on this board may "know" more or less than you or I do about football.  I don't think Tex is really uninformed just because he disagrees with some of the earlier posts, do you?  He. like many of us, was at the game and is just as entitled to his analysis as you are yours.  I thought the officiating was sub-par, but that Trinity beat DePauw fair and square.

So what is your point?  Do you agree that comparing penalty numbers and yardages is a way to evaluate officiating ?  If so then you know as little about the game as he does.  I am not defending the officiating in that game although so far the "only" thing they got wrong according to the posts here is the timing (although that is a HUGE error).   But if you are going to slam the officiating it should be with concrete examples.

[frank_ezelle]

It seems like the point was that it's okay to disagree about things on the message board, it's just that there's no need to be so disagreeable when you have a differing point of view.  Saying, "I never found the number of penalties in a game to be a very good measure of good or bad officiating" is different from a personal slam like, "Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating".

I can't say with certainty that this was TigerDad's point, but it was what I was thinking when I read your post with the "Nobody who really knows football...." comment. 

[Tex]

It had little to nothing to determine the outcome. 

I'll say it again.  A LOT can happen in 5 minutes of football.

It really does not matter what had happened up to that point.  To have so much time taken away by a flat out horrible interpretation of the rules is awful.

There have been many late game comebacks in football and to blow what happened off as having little to no impact on the game makes zero sense IMO.

It was a close enough game that losing 5 minutes would be a very big deal to me if I had been playing on either team.

Its also not just the game ending early that would be an issue either.  That means all four quarters were stopped sooner than they should have been.  That has an impact on the entire game from what wind and field conditions your squad is dealing with to your clock/game management to your play calling.

Also, I do not think simply looking at how many penalties and yards were called on each other tells you much at all concerning how good or bad the refs were.

Now we're up to 5 minutes?  Did anyone actually watch this game?  Good gravy. 

[Tex]

never mind

[frank_ezelle]

Sometimes that clock operation can work against the home team.  As all of you know, the College Football Play of the Year started with 2 seconds on the clock.  It just so happens that when Millsaps kicked a field goal in that game to extend the lead to 24-16 late in the 4th quarter, the clock actually gained 2 seconds instead of running off any time:

[RooBro]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.... my Roos would be 6-1!!! 

[wabashcpa]

Sometimes that clock operation can work against the home team.  As all of you know, the College Football Play of the Year started with 2 seconds on the clock.  It just so happens that when Millsaps kicked a field goal in that game to extend the lead to 24-16 late in the 4th quarter, the clock actually gained 2 seconds instead of running off any time:

That's nuts.  So when Havercamp beat us with a last second FG last year, we should have demanded more time be put on the clock!

[D3_DPUFan]

That's nuts.  So when Havercamp beat us with a last second FG last year, we should have demanded more time be put on the clock!

Good one!

[fb52]

Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office. The thought of these same officials calling most all of these Trinity games and getting away with this is unbelieveable to me. I didn't hear if anybody said the clock was wound incorrectly when Trinity had the ball and threw incompletions?

[TigerDad]

I can't say with certainty that this was TigerDad's point, but it was what I was thinking when I read your post with the "Nobody who really knows football...." comment. 

Frank ... yes, exactly my point.  No need to insult others' intelligence in a disagreement.  I have no bone to pick either way ... I'm satisfied with the score on the scoreboard at the end of the game.  Looking forward to the next games ... especially the Majors visit on Nov 1st!  Let me know if you plan to make the trip ... would like to visit with you there.

[Ron Boerger]

Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office. The thought of these same officials calling most all of these Trinity games and getting away with this is unbelieveable to me. I didn't hear if anybody said the clock was wound incorrectly when Trinity had the ball and threw incompletions?

The thought of someone 'new to this board' without a concrete understanding of the situation coming and jumping on what is essentially a bunch of hearsay is what's unbelievable to me.  According to my brother, who was present at the game, the clock was wound during all incompletions.   

By all means, if someone in a position of responsibility thinks there is an issue, it should be taken to the SCAC office, not just hurled around on a message board.