East Region Playoff Discussion

[Yanks 99]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

[Bombers798891]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

Here's the thing I'd ask:

What is Hartwick's signature win? If you're the NCAA committee, what game could you circle on Wick's schedule that says: "Here's why the Hawks should be in"? Because unfortunately, there is a game you could circle that would say "Here's why they shouldn't be in"

[Yanks 99]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

Here's the thing I'd ask:

What is Hartwick's signature win? If you're the NCAA committee, what game could you circle on Wick's schedule that says: "Here's why the Hawks should be in"? Because unfortunately, there is a game you could circle that would say "Here's why they shouldn't be in"

See E8 board...

[Jonny Utah]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

[labart96]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

check turner's commentary from the pool c thread:

Pool A's:  MUC, Ithaca, Cortland, Hobart, Plymouth State, Lycoming.
Pool C's: W&J and Montclair State.

I have a hard time seeing an East Region team being passed over 6 times in the Pool C deliberations!  I think that one Pool C team will come to the east.

The Committee might move Muhlenberg or Wesley in here for some geographic balance, too.

Would Husson really get some consideration as a Pool C instead of Montclair?  Nah.

more likely that MUC and W&J come in meaning there is really only one open spot pool c wise - could lead to wesley getting shipped in too.

even montclair would be a better pick than wick in my opinion.

[Yanks 99]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

Again, that was last year...this is a new team.

Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?

[JT]

Husson/MUC would be gridiron hilarity.

Has MUC been tested at all this year?  Is SJF truly their closest game?

The only real test in the regular season was Week 9 at Otterbein.  Mid-way thru the 2nd quarter, it was only 21-13 Mount before they scored twice in the final few minutes to blow it open 35-13 at the half.  Game ended up 49-20.

This Mount team is very good at the skill positions on offense with Micheli, Kmic and Cecil Shorts taking over for Garcon, but the O-line was pretty average to start the season and has really been hurt by injuries.  A team with a strong D-line will give Mount fits.

Defensively, they're a little smaller than last year, but faster. 

using that comparison, with seconds left in the half week 1 it was only 14-0, before a pick 6 that blew it open.  The second score to make it 14-0 came on a fumbled snap by SJF QB deep in own zone.  either way, neither team really tested MUC.

MUC's only tests since regular season 2006 against Cap, was 2006 semi and 2007 Stagg

And 2005 Rowan w/o a starting QB, running back, and AA DE.

[redswarm81]

With the mules using, I can almost see this...

1.  MUC (A)
2.  Ithaca (A)
3.  Hobart (A)
4.  Lycoming (A)
5.  Cortland State (A)
6.  Plymouth State (A)
7.  Curry (C)
8.  Husson (B)

9-1 Cortland CAN'T be seeded behind 2-loss Lyco.

Update: I think you should put Cortland ahead of Hobart, based on . . . um, . . . wins v. formerly ranked opponents?  Quality losses?  Cortland lost to no. 2 seed, HoHoHobart lost to Union.

Otterbein 4th and goal from the 6, OT - FG Good, JCU's turn next

RS -

I have no idea where Cortland ends up after getting smoked on the eve of the selection, but I am pretty certain Hobart won't be seeded lower than 4 in the East.  Actually I'd put them at 3 given all the losses (although RPI falling could ding Bart's OWP) across the East today.

Cortland and the NJAC looking just as questionable as all the other Eastern conferences with Montclair crapping the bed too.

No way Curry gets in as a Pool C.  More likely for a team to be shipped in from a different region than that happening.  I'm sorry but the runner up from the NEFC doesn't deserve to take an at-large bid from anyone.

even hartwick?

No way they take the second place team from the NEFC over the second place team from the E8...Wick will get in over Curry...

Conference has nothing to do with Pool C bids.  Pool C bids can even go to teams without a conference.

Like Husson.

Pool C bids have nothing to do with "who's better than whom."  It's all about the Selection Criteria.

You need to focus on the Selection Criteria.  Those begin with the Primary Criteria:

• 31.3.5.2.1 Primary Criteria—Ranking and Selection (All Contests Leading up to NCAA Championships). (Revised: 8/3/06)
  
  
  • (a) Won-lost percentage against regional opponents; (Adopted: 4/15/03)
  • (b) In-region head-to-head competition;
  • (c) In-region results versus common regional opponents;
  • (d) OWP/OOWP;
    
  • (e) In-region results versus regionally ranked teams will be considered as follows:
    
    • (1) Opponents are considered ranked [only in the final, secret] official rankings; and
      (2) Conference postseason contests are included; (Revised: 4/11/06 effective 8/1/07)
      

[redswarm81]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

I don't see how any two-loss team gets in ahead of an undefeated team.

Husson happens to be undefeated.

I didn't write the rules.

[Jonny Utah]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

Again, that was last year...this is a new team.

Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?

Is the E8 that much better this year than last year?  Im not so sure about that one.

And if you dont want to look at past seasons, why do you think the E8 is any better than the NEFC?

[Bombers798891]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

Again, that was last year...this is a new team.

Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?

Because until you get to the NC game, no-one outside of these boards knows a thing about anyone in D-3...you think a first round game of Wick-MUC is going to get some sort of promotion?

[Yanks 99]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

Again, that was last year...this is a new team.

Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?

Because until you get to the NC game, no-one outside of these boards knows a thing about anyone in D-3...you think a first round game of Wick-MUC is going to get some sort of promotion?

Are you trying to tell me that scouts don't know who Jason Boltus is?  If that is what you are saying, you need to read up a bit. 

[Yanks 99]

I think MUC is coming over to the East.  That being said, I still think Wick has as good as an arguement as anyone to get a Pool C from the East.

I don't see how any two-loss team gets in ahead of an undefeated team.

Husson happens to be undefeated.

I didn't write the rules.

They may get in...it would just be a shame considering they didn't play a single team in D3 that had a winning record...

[Bombers798891]

What makes you think Hartwick is that much better than Curry this year?  It wasnt even close last year was it?

Again...not focused on last year.  By that arguement, Fisher is a far better team than IC this year...which is ridiculous.  Are you telling me an NEFC team that didnt even make its conference championship game is better then any of the top 4 teams in the E8?

I dont know if Curry is better than Hartwick.  

Im kind of playing devils advocate here, but why should I believe Hartwick is better than Curry?  And yes, we do have to go by what happened last year.  Thats why IC is so good this year, because they had a lot of starters returning from last year.  I dont know who Curry has comming back, but they are 9-1, the same as they were last year when they beat the #1 (#2-#3) ranked E8 team

And yes, sometimes we do have to look what happened last year.  Do you think anyone is going to overlook Plymouth St in the playoffs?  I dont think so.

Again, that was last year...this is a new team.

Here is another idea...shot in the dark...besides playing in a brutal E8 and finishing second, if you are the committee, why in the world would you not want to promote a QB like Boltus that may get a shot at the NFL?  If we are going to use criteria like what happened "last year", then why not go for the "good of the game" selection?

Because until you get to the NC game, no-one outside of these boards knows a thing about anyone in D-3...you think a first round game of Wick-MUC is going to get some sort of promotion?

Are you trying to tell me that scouts don't know who Jason Boltus is?  If that is what you are saying, you need to read up a bit. 

I'm aware the scouts know who he is. So what? Does anyone outside of these boards know that? You think the NCAA is going to send out a press release saying "Hey, this guy is a fringe NFL caliber QB, come watch him get destroyed by MUC?"

[redswarm81]

Guys, get serious.  They don't just sit around in one of Boston's three remaining cigar bars and ask themselves "who would be good to have in the tournament?"

There are rules.  Read what they are, and explain how a two loss team evaluates ahead of an undefeated team, using only the Primary Criteria.