East Region Playoff Discussion

[vttanker]

When you just throw out the term weak in reference to the NEFC.... that is exactly what the NCAA feels about the East.
The entire east needs to get off it high horse and realize the nation has caught up.
The last eastern champion was IC in 91.. none of these teams from these "strong" conferences have really come close... yes the Rowan teams gave us a nice run.  RPI a few years back was nice but unsustained.
The St. John Fisher v MUC three years ago was a surprise.  Once the Mount really prepared for STJ Fish they crushed the cardinal.

The number one thing holding back the east is that most of the schools are private and massively expensive.  Since prop 91 ( no financial aid to special talents) the east has had a hard time.  

So yea, the Weak NEFC got in two but everyone else got beat.  RPI needed to beat Kings Point but got stung.

Odd year

mel, I don't thin it's the cost of the schools so much as the density of the schools.  Mount Union is a private school that will run you over $30 grand a year.  For example, in Worcester, Mass there are three schools all near each other (Becker, WPI, Worcester State) and a whole bunch close by.  That's a talent drain.  I don't know if that is the real problem, but it doesn't help those teams get better. 

Though I'm an NEFC fan I'm surprised that Curry got it.  More so because no other non-AQ team from the East got it.  By putting Mount Union in the East they're saying the East isn't even good enough to have their own #1 team.  If anything you would think that since Mount Union has to be the best team in the North that they should seed #1 out there and some other team could have been the #1 in the East, even from the North.  This is what happens when the NCAA is engineering what they want for the final four.

No way a kid looking at WPI is also looking at Worcester State.....I know what you are attempting to say, but this argument is miserably flawed.....

If you assume the kid is just looking at football programs, maybe.  But that is far from what really happens.

Below are some real numbers.  Mass had 20 schools that offer D3 football, but not near the population of a PA, IL, or OH.  Ah yes, but WI does good you ask??  Hey I didn't say it was the only reason.  Just one reason. 

State   #Schools   Population   Density
PA   24   12,432,792    518,033
IL   21   12,852,548    612,026
OH   21   11,466,917    546,044
MA   20   6,449,755    322,488
WI   18   5,601,640    311,202
NY   17   11,023,202    648,424
MN   15   5,197,621    346,508
IA   10   2,988,046    298,805
VA   10   7,712,091    771,209
CA   9   36,553,215    4,061,468

There are other factors as well.  Real world, my son plays D3 football and wouldn't go to WPI if he had the choice.  No Men's Lacrosse.  My son plays two sports, loves them both.  School had to offer both, plus an academic program that interested him.

[union89]

A few interesting questions about 'Dem Spicy Boys....

You have to figure that Curry felt their season was over 8 days ago.

Question 1....have they been practicing over the past 9 days?? (probably so)

Question 2....how spirited could those practices have been??  

I have a feeling that DSB were probably just going through the motions feeling that there was a really good chance the season was done.

I asked this a couple of days ago and it has been asked on other boards as well.....any NEFC guys have any idea on the answer to this?

[XREDDRAGON77]

After not reaching their conference title game, and declining an ECAC bid, did these guys even practice at all last week before they experienced this early Chistmass.  Did they think they stood an outside shot at a Class C bid?  What's the chance that their equipment manager had to re issue all equipment as they thought their season was done.  Any insight on this?  I saw that LewDogg expressed an interest in this and I am sure there are others as well.

[Bombers798891]

You guys gotta fix that poll.

[TheApprentice]

Hello All,
New member here, as I've been ridiculed previously this week on the MAC board for my limited posting until now, I apologize, I just recently started reading the boards.

I enjoy the debates and conversation, what catches my eye on this board is the overall agreement that a line of 17.5 set for Hobart and Lycoming is a bit of a stretch. I am a firm believer that statistics can only do so much, and the game must be played to see who the victor will be. Paper is pointless to an extent. However, on common ground, Hobart and Lycoming both played Susquehanna this year. The statistics from that game are pretty dead middle between the teams in their victories over SU. Although the statistics are very very close as to how each team played...Lycoming rushed for slightly more (221 vs. 236), passed for slightly more (149 vs. 196) and out-gained in total yardage (370 vs. 432). Lycoming did throw 3 int's to Hobart's 1. Hobart had 11 penalties for 81 yrds. and Lycoming had 9 for 100 yrds. These stats are, once again, only stats....but I consider it fair to say that Lycoming and Hobart will be a much closer game than 17.5.

As for the home field advantage for Hobart that should be somewhat of an advantage, Lycoming is struggling to play well on same day trips. However, their only over-night away loss came to the Bombers in week 1 by the special teams let down of a blocked extra point (17-16 Ithaca, #12 in D3 football)....As for the possibility of a hostile crowd in Geneva.... Hobart's avg. attendance is only a mere 724 fans per game....on the road Lycoming has played in front of on average 2,102 fans a Saturday on the road.

Special Teams will be a big factor in this weekend's game at Boswell Field.

Good Luck Lyco.

[lewdogg11]

Hello All,
New member here, as I've been ridiculed previously this week on the MAC board for my limited posting until now, I apologize, I just recently started reading the boards.

I enjoy the debates and conversation, what catches my eye on this board is the overall agreement that a line of 17.5 set for Hobart and Lycoming is a bit of a stretch. I am a firm believer that statistics can only do so much, and the game must be played to see who the victor will be. Paper is pointless to an extent. However, on common ground, Hobart and Lycoming both played Susquehanna this year. The statistics from that game are pretty dead middle between the teams in their victories over SU. Although the statistics are very very close as to how each team played...Lycoming rushed for slightly more (221 vs. 236), passed for slightly more (149 vs. 196) and out-gained in total yardage (370 vs. 432). Lycoming did throw 3 int's to Hobart's 1. Hobart had 11 penalties for 81 yrds. and Lycoming had 9 for 100 yrds. These stats are, once again, only stats....but I consider it fair to say that Lycoming and Hobart will be a much closer game than 17.5.

As for the home field advantage for Hobart that should be somewhat of an advantage, Lycoming is struggling to play well on same day trips. However, their only over-night away loss came to the Bombers in week 1 by the special teams let down of a blocked extra point (17-16 Ithaca, #12 in D3 football)....As for the possibility of a hostile crowd in Geneva.... Hobart's avg. attendance is only a mere 724 fans per game....on the road Lycoming has played in front of on average 2,102 fans a Saturday on the road.

Special Teams will be a big factor in this weekend's game at Boswell Field.

Good Luck Lyco.

As a LL fan, I am pulling hard for Hobart, but really, they haven't shown much to me this year so far other than they are tough, they never give up, and they know how to win.  Talent wise, I don't think they are as strong as teams of the past.  Don't know much about Lyco, but they have a strong history, and i'm sure it will be a great game.  17.5 points is ridiculous.  Hobart just wins, they don't blow anyone out.

[pumkinattack]

The line was set by a MUC/OAC person so they didn't really have strong insight into either team and take the points on that. 

I don't know if Hobart isn't as talented, but they've been playing without between 3 - 5 starters for much of the season.  The D is strong (including a great secondary that can play man very well), but the offense is a mess, though the receivers are very talented and Tyler Vincent has been hot lately (both in receiving and some clutch punts).  I think Doyle actually had 2 interceptions (and three the week before) and he occasionally throws ill-advised passes, but improved as the season wore on - he's playing with a separated shoulder though. 

I think it'll be like 13 - 10 or something.  No one ever thinks much of Hobart, but they've lost 0 or 1 game in the LL since its inception (also winning a number of non-conference games against solid teams like Alfred, CMU, Dickinson) and has made the NCAA's five straight years running so they are doing something right.

['gro]

The line was set by a MUC/OAC person dumbass so they didn't really have strong insight a clue into either team and take the points on that. 

Fixed.

[union89]

Two NEFC teams is bogus.

#6 Plymouth
#7 Curry
#8 Rudolph Macon

Those last 2 bids seem to have been WIDE open......teams didn't take care of business down the stretch and left the door open for something like this to happen....I have a feeling we are going to see more monkey's with cell phones and kickball's posted by JU in 2 weeks!!!

The bid was there for the taking....nobody stepped up and grabbed it by the neck, so the invite went to Curry.

[SJFF82]

RE: Poll: How could IC and Curry both win?

[redswarm81]

If you assume the kid is just looking at football programs, maybe.  But that is far from what really happens.

Below are some real numbers.  Mass had 20 schools that offer D3 football, but not near the population of a PA, IL, or OH.  Ah yes, but WI does good you ask??  Hey I didn't say it was the only reason.  Just one reason. 

State   #Schools   Population   Density
PA   24   12,432,792    518,033
IL   21   12,852,548    612,026
OH   21   11,466,917    546,044
MA   20   6,449,755    322,488
WI   18   5,601,640    311,202
NY   17   11,023,202    648,424
MN   15   5,197,621    346,508
IA   10   2,988,046    298,805
VA   10   7,712,091    771,209
CA   9   36,553,215    4,061,468

There are other factors as well.  Real world, my son plays D3 football and wouldn't go to WPI if he had the choice.  No Men's Lacrosse.  My son plays two sports, loves them both.  School had to offer both, plus an academic program that interested him.

Are you sure NY's population is less than OH's?

[Frank Rossi]

If you assume the kid is just looking at football programs, maybe.  But that is far from what really happens.

Below are some real numbers.  Mass had 20 schools that offer D3 football, but not near the population of a PA, IL, or OH.  Ah yes, but WI does good you ask??  Hey I didn't say it was the only reason.  Just one reason. 

State   #Schools   Population   Density
PA   24   12,432,792    518,033
IL   21   12,852,548    612,026
OH   21   11,466,917    546,044
MA   20   6,449,755    322,488
WI   18   5,601,640    311,202
NY   17   11,023,202    648,424
MN   15   5,197,621    346,508
IA   10   2,988,046    298,805
VA   10   7,712,091    771,209
CA   9   36,553,215    4,061,468

There are other factors as well.  Real world, my son plays D3 football and wouldn't go to WPI if he had the choice.  No Men's Lacrosse.  My son plays two sports, loves them both.  School had to offer both, plus an academic program that interested him.

Are you sure NY's population is less than OH's?

Taking a guess, I'd say the stats are isolating UPSTATE NY.

[mel]

My very good source said that Curry practiced 4 days last week.  My very good source is a Curry coach.

[Senor RedTackle]

Can you pls find out if they watched Desperate Housewives also last week??

['gro]

My very good source said that Curry practiced 4 days last week.  My very good source is a Curry coach.

How many nights did Dem Spicy Boyz go out drinking that purple drank last week... thinking their season was over? They drink that purple drank and make them Spicy Girlz shake that stuff. Colonel Sanders' got nothing on these chickenheads.