East Region Playoff Discussion

[boobyhasgameyo]

Cortland's coming undone.. really late hit by Cortland on Kmic

Once again, the supposedly "weak" East region gives MUC their toughest game of the season....

I'd say Whitewater gave them their toughest game of the season last year, you know when they defeated them for the national championship and all....


*Unless you are referring to this year exclusively, which then I can agree with you.  I just took the "once again" part as including last year when they were sent to the Eastern Region as well. 

[wesleydad]

interesting debate as to whether or not MUC was running up the score or not.  sounds like they may have kept their starters in longer than some would have liked in yesterday's game. 

since i dont know the coach, only from what i have read, he doesnt seem like the type, but at the same time it is easy to question why is the starting running back in that late in the game when the game is essentially over? 

in general, i think most of the good programs keep the starters in for too long against overmatched opponents from what i have seen in the last 5 years.  wesley plays theirs deep into the 3rd or early into the 4th when they are up 30 or more.  it cost them this year when the starting running back sprains his ankle against galludet when they were up 43 - 0, and is unable to perform well against muhlenberg and umhb.

the playoffs are different, with limited rosters some teams only go 2 or 3 deep and the player they put in is not much of a drop off from the starter.  it is a debate that will continue forever as long as someone beats someone by more than the loser would like and they look for something to complain about when they should look for ways to improve their own team so as not to have it happen to them.  you heard no complaining from the wesley people about who was in the game in the 4th quarter for umhb, most of the starters on both sides of the ball were still in, wesley didnt get the job done and got a beat down.  end of story.

[Pat Coleman]

Cortland's coming undone.. really late hit by Cortland on Kmic

Once again, the supposedly "weak" East region gives MUC their toughest game of the season....

I'd say Whitewater gave them their toughest game of the season last year, you know when they defeated them for the national championship and all....


*Unless you are referring to this year exclusively, which then I can agree with you.  I just took the "once again" part as including last year when they were sent to the Eastern Region as well. 

Yeah, "once again" implies it's happened in a previous year, which I agree doesn't compute.

[JT]

interesting debate as to whether or not MUC was running up the score or not.  sounds like they may have kept their starters in longer than some would have liked in yesterday's game. 

since i dont know the coach, only from what i have read, he doesnt seem like the type, but at the same time it is easy to question why is the starting running back in that late in the game when the game is essentially over? 

in general, i think most of the good programs keep the starters in for too long against overmatched opponents from what i have seen in the last 5 years.  wesley plays theirs deep into the 3rd or early into the 4th when they are up 30 or more.  it cost them this year when the starting running back sprains his ankle against galludet when they were up 43 - 0, and is unable to perform well against muhlenberg and umhb.

the playoffs are different, with limited rosters some teams only go 2 or 3 deep and the player they put in is not much of a drop off from the starter.  it is a debate that will continue forever as long as someone beats someone by more than the loser would like and they look for something to complain about when they should look for ways to improve their own team so as not to have it happen to them.  you heard no complaining from the wesley people about who was in the game in the 4th quarter for umhb, most of the starters on both sides of the ball were still in, wesley didnt get the job done and got a beat down.  end of story.

I know Kehres doesn't care about records, but the rushing record is in reach for Kmic.  And Mount was only up 20 at the time.  Let the kid go for the record. I think Kehres wants him to get it, after team goals are in hand.

[superman57]

interesting debate as to whether or not MUC was running up the score or not.  sounds like they may have kept their starters in longer than some would have liked in yesterday's game. 

since i dont know the coach, only from what i have read, he doesnt seem like the type, but at the same time it is easy to question why is the starting running back in that late in the game when the game is essentially over? 

in general, i think most of the good programs keep the starters in for too long against overmatched opponents from what i have seen in the last 5 years.  wesley plays theirs deep into the 3rd or early into the 4th when they are up 30 or more.  it cost them this year when the starting running back sprains his ankle against galludet when they were up 43 - 0, and is unable to perform well against muhlenberg and umhb.

the playoffs are different, with limited rosters some teams only go 2 or 3 deep and the player they put in is not much of a drop off from the starter.  it is a debate that will continue forever as long as someone beats someone by more than the loser would like and they look for something to complain about when they should look for ways to improve their own team so as not to have it happen to them.  you heard no complaining from the wesley people about who was in the game in the 4th quarter for umhb, most of the starters on both sides of the ball were still in, wesley didnt get the job done and got a beat down.  end of story.

I know Kehres doesn't care about records, but the rushing record is in reach for Kmic.  And Mount was only up 20 at the time.  Let the kid go for the record. I think Kehres wants him to get it, after team goals are in hand.

JT I tend to agree with you, but in this situation Mount Fans can't have it both ways... Kmic can go for the record but if their is a late hit they can't be getting upset about it... It is a teams perogtive to take the penalty to send a message

[JT]

interesting debate as to whether or not MUC was running up the score or not.  sounds like they may have kept their starters in longer than some would have liked in yesterday's game. 

since i dont know the coach, only from what i have read, he doesnt seem like the type, but at the same time it is easy to question why is the starting running back in that late in the game when the game is essentially over? 

in general, i think most of the good programs keep the starters in for too long against overmatched opponents from what i have seen in the last 5 years.  wesley plays theirs deep into the 3rd or early into the 4th when they are up 30 or more.  it cost them this year when the starting running back sprains his ankle against galludet when they were up 43 - 0, and is unable to perform well against muhlenberg and umhb.

the playoffs are different, with limited rosters some teams only go 2 or 3 deep and the player they put in is not much of a drop off from the starter.  it is a debate that will continue forever as long as someone beats someone by more than the loser would like and they look for something to complain about when they should look for ways to improve their own team so as not to have it happen to them.  you heard no complaining from the wesley people about who was in the game in the 4th quarter for umhb, most of the starters on both sides of the ball were still in, wesley didnt get the job done and got a beat down.  end of story.

I know Kehres doesn't care about records, but the rushing record is in reach for Kmic.  And Mount was only up 20 at the time.  Let the kid go for the record. I think Kehres wants him to get it, after team goals are in hand.

JT I tend to agree with you, but in this situation Mount Fans can't have it both ways... Kmic can go for the record but if their is a late hit they can't be getting upset about it... It is a teams perogtive to take the penalty to send a message

That too.

[cstate19]

Checking in late.

First and foremost, thank you to Coach mac, the players, the coaches, the team doctors and everyone else who helped provide a magical year.  I enjoyed it.

Secondly. Mount Union is good.  really good. It is a tribute to their staff and everyone to be so continually dominant.  The bottom line is the final score was 41-14.  I know we played thenm tough for a half, but the fact of the matter was we got Monkey Stomped.  Congrats Mount Union.

As far running up the score, who cares if they were or not.  It is our job to stop them.   

[Jonny Utah]

Checking in late.

First and foremost, thank you to Coach mac, the players, the coaches, the team doctors and everyone else who helped provide a magical year.  I enjoyed it.

Secondly. Mount Union is good.  really good. It is a tribute to their staff and everyone to be so continually dominant.  The bottom line is the final score was 41-14.  I know we played thenm tough for a half, but the fact of the matter was we got Monkey Stomped.  Congrats Mount Union.

As far running up the score, who cares if they were or not.  It is our job to stop them.   

MUC kept the starters in the whole game against Ithaca last year too.  But I think in any game when there is s 3 TD lead with more than 5 minutes you need to have the starters in.  Especially for a team like MUC who actually wins games like these because of TOP.

[rscl70]

I know this is from year's ago and many of you may be tempted to dismiss it simply because of the time-lapse and score imbalance, BUT:

when Lycoming played against MUC and got shellacked, the tight end, caught a pass after the game was decided and gave the Warriors the finger as he raced down the sideline.

Now, this is merely one data point, but before we enshrine the MUC program in the beatification process, let's admit they are human, have bad actors as all programs do, and are venal creatures like we all are.

I tell you the truth, sometimes when I read posts from MUC folks you can almost hear angelic choirs singing in the background, even if it is only in their heads.  And clearly, since they are overwhelmingly successful, who are you to even begin to question them.

I thought the whole point of these posts was to engender comments?

I can hardly wait to see the purple goo that this one generates - but I was at the game and saw the unsportsmanlike performance when the Warriors were all but in the showers.

ATB

Actually he suffered from a muscle spasm which gave you the impression that he had given you the finger.  Now back to the angelic choirs.

[Toph]

Cortland's coming undone.. really late hit by Cortland on Kmic

Once again, the supposedly "weak" East region gives MUC their toughest game of the season....

This statement is insane for more than a few reasons, the biggest being that UWW gave Mount its toughest game of the season when they BEAT them in the Stagg in 2007.  I think that might have been a tougher game than your Bombers' 49-14 loss. 

If the East's PLAYOFF teams can't give Mount a better game than a fairly average OAC (this season anyway), I'd say you should be concerned.  It's the playoffs...the best teams from the region.  They better give Mount a tougher game than...say...Marietta.  Don't be ridiculous.

Cortland State played well yesterday.  Congratulations on a fine season.

[Jonny Utah]

Cortland's coming undone.. really late hit by Cortland on Kmic

Once again, the supposedly "weak" East region gives MUC their toughest game of the season....

This statement is insane for more than a few reasons, the biggest being that UWW gave Mount its toughest game of the season when they BEAT them in the Stagg in 2007.  I think that might have been a tougher game than your Bombers' 49-14 loss. 

If the East's PLAYOFF teams can't give Mount a better game than a fairly average OAC (this season anyway), I'd say you should be concerned.  It's the playoffs...the best teams from the region.  They better give Mount a tougher game than...say...Marietta.  Don't be ridiculous.

Cortland State played well yesterday.  Congratulations on a fine season.

Not to be picky but Ithaca lost 42-18, not 49-14.  It could have been 49-18 if MUC didnt run out the clock in the 4th though......

[boobyhasgameyo]

I thought Mount Union usually pulls their starters in those OAC blowouts within the first half don't they?  I could be wrong, but that has to account for something right?  Rowan has given Mount Union some fits and even beat them once, and Fisher gave Mount Union a game once.  Outside of that Mount Union has never had a game seriously in doubt against the East, but I think when comparing how other regions' teams do against Mount Union there is no incredibly noticable difference that would suggest the East is just blatantly weaker. 

[Frank Rossi]

Cortland's coming undone.. really late hit by Cortland on Kmic

Once again, the supposedly "weak" East region gives MUC their toughest game of the season....

This statement is insane for more than a few reasons, the biggest being that UWW gave Mount its toughest game of the season when they BEAT them in the Stagg in 2007.  I think that might have been a tougher game than your Bombers' 49-14 loss. 

If the East's PLAYOFF teams can't give Mount a better game than a fairly average OAC (this season anyway), I'd say you should be concerned.  It's the playoffs...the best teams from the region.  They better give Mount a tougher game than...say...Marietta.  Don't be ridiculous.

Cortland State played well yesterday.  Congratulations on a fine season.

This is fine and all, but I think you're begging the question:  "Why did the Committee put MUC back at the top of the East?"  Answer:  Because they assumed MUC would roll over the East Region competition, giving the overall #1 seed the easiest road to the Semifinals.  You can't have it both ways, Toph.  The point is valid that the East teams DID overperform at times compared to what even the Committee's expectations were.

[Small but Slow]

A playoff "blowout" differs from a regular season "blowout" in several ways.  I believe the MUC staff respects the ability of playoff caliber teams to come back from deficits.  Just because one team has dominated the first half or even three quarters of a game doesn't mean the other team doesn't have the ability to come back.  I watched a hs state championship game a couple years ago where a team had a 35-7 lead with 10 minutes left and began subbing liberally.  The team that was down got some momentum and even when the other team put the starters back in they had lost their edge.  The game ended being a double over time game with the team with the huge lead winning.  Any team's backups should not be nearly as good as a playoff caliber team's starters.

[XDragon59]

here's an interesting question if we took an all-east region all-star team, do you think they could beat Mount Union...

Yes, the all-star team would be too deep.  That type of question would be more interesting in college hoops as I think UNC would beat an all-american team of every other school.