East Region Playoff Discussion

[skunks_sidekick]

Politics?  What politics are you referring to in your statement?  Is Rowan considered a "favorite" by the NCAA, so therefore they get the bid?  I don't understand your politics reference.  It might be flawed thinking by the NCAA, but calling it "politics" makes no sense.

Oh.......and to say that Del Val losing to Widener further enhances Frank's points is about the silliest thing I have heard. 

GOOD teams don't lose to a 4-5 team that was pounded by other East teams throughout the year.  You just don't lose games like that if you want to claim you are "the best in the East".  Sorry.....that just doesn't cut it. 

[Jonny Utah]

Politics?  What politics are you referring to in your statement?  Is Rowan considered a "favorite" by the NCAA, so therefore they get the bid?  I don't understand your politics reference.  It might be flawed thinking by the NCAA, but calling it "politics" makes no sense.

Oh.......and to say that Del Val losing to Widener further enhances Frank's points is about the silliest thing I have heard. 

GOOD teams don't lose to a 4-5 team that was pounded by other East teams throughout the year.  You just don't lose games like that if you want to claim you are "the best in the East".  Sorry.....that just doesn't cut it. 

He has mentioned that a Rowan staff memeber is a member of the selection committee and that if Rowan gets picked, it would be a political move.  He is basically questioning the integrity of the person/committee.

[pg04]

Politics?  What politics are you referring to in your statement?  Is Rowan considered a "favorite" by the NCAA, so therefore they get the bid?  I don't understand your politics reference.  It might be flawed thinking by the NCAA, but calling it "politics" makes no sense.

Oh.......and to say that Del Val losing to Widener further enhances Frank's points is about the silliest thing I have heard. 

GOOD teams don't lose to a 4-5 team that was pounded by other East teams throughout the year.  You just don't lose games like that if you want to claim you are "the best in the East".  Sorry.....that just doesn't cut it. 

He has mentioned that a Rowan staff memeber is a member of the selection committee and that if Rowan gets picked, it would be a political move.  He is basically questioning the integrity of the person/committee.

It is my understanding that the Rowan person wouldn't even be part of the discussion if his/her team is in the mix. 

[Jonny Utah]

Politics?  What politics are you referring to in your statement?  Is Rowan considered a "favorite" by the NCAA, so therefore they get the bid?  I don't understand your politics reference.  It might be flawed thinking by the NCAA, but calling it "politics" makes no sense.

Oh.......and to say that Del Val losing to Widener further enhances Frank's points is about the silliest thing I have heard. 

GOOD teams don't lose to a 4-5 team that was pounded by other East teams throughout the year.  You just don't lose games like that if you want to claim you are "the best in the East".  Sorry.....that just doesn't cut it. 

He has mentioned that a Rowan staff memeber is a member of the selection committee and that if Rowan gets picked, it would be a political move.  He is basically questioning the integrity of the person/committee.

It is my understanding that the Rowan person wouldn't even be part of the discussion if his/her team is in the mix. 

Mine too.

[union89]

Politics?  What politics are you referring to in your statement?  Is Rowan considered a "favorite" by the NCAA, so therefore they get the bid?  I don't understand your politics reference.  It might be flawed thinking by the NCAA, but calling it "politics" makes no sense.

Oh.......and to say that Del Val losing to Widener further enhances Frank's points is about the silliest thing I have heard. 

GOOD teams don't lose to a 4-5 team that was pounded by other East teams throughout the year.  You just don't lose games like that if you want to claim you are "the best in the East".  Sorry.....that just doesn't cut it. 

Dude, you are making way too much sense over the last two days....I agree with you 100% AGAIN.

[HScoach]

The end is near.  There are East folks agreeing with Sidekick.

[JT]

The end is near.  There are East folks agreeing with Sidekick.

Here come the locusts 

[union89]

The end is near.  There are East folks agreeing with Sidekick.

Here come the locusts 

I got my flu shot.....I should be safe.

[Ralph Turner]

The end is near.  There are East folks agreeing with Sidekick.

The Dallas Cowboys are in last place in the NFC East.
The Washington Senators Texas Rangers beat the Yankees to get to the World Series.
The Baylor Bears made the Top 25 this season.

The evidence builds.

[redswarm81]

It will be interesting, since the question is, "Is Wabash a one-loss or two-loss team in the assessment?"  Primary criteria say they're a one-loss team that has one of the best SoS's on the board.  They are distinguishable, have two quality regional wins and win most comparisons.  If that's the case -- and read this carefully -- THE COMMITTEE IS OBLIGATED TO HONOR PRIMARY CRITERIA ONLY.  They should not need to open it up to secondary criteria for Wabash.

This actually poses a major test for the Committee's idea from the past couple years that they pretty much have just thrown in both batches of criteria immediately.  Here's a case in which it shouldn't be happening.  Hopefully, the Committee has done the right thing.  As for Montclair, the H2H is too much for me to ignore.  It's a shell game if a double-digit H2H victory when a direct comparison is made between two teams isn't honored. 

I agree with your reading of the Selection criteria, Frank.  I've felt that way for many years, and I've been confused and frustrated when I get reports that primary and secondary considerations are considered simultaneously.  I don't think it can be interpreted any other way, given the clear language:

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:

Thus, the secondary criteria may only be used if the primary criteria fail to produce a selection (or seed) in a comparison.

The only explanation I can see for Wabash not being selected through primary criteria is if the committee discounts Strength of Schedule, which they're permitted to do, as the Selection Criteria are explicitly not in priority order.  There's justification for discounting SoS.  Consider this scenario:

• Team A, 0-10, lost to ten different 9-1 teams; SoS = .889
• Team B, 9-1,  beat 9 teams with 8-2 records, and lost to one undefeated team; SoS = .811

This demonstrates that SoS isn't as important as winning percentage.  Surely head-to-head deserves a higher priority than SoS when comparing two teams, and I think there's merit in the argument that record v. common opponents and record v. ranked teams are both more important than SoS, which is a statistic derived from games in which the team being evaluated did not participate.

[redswarm81]

The end is near.  There are East folks agreeing with Sidekick.

The Dallas Cowboys are in last place in the NFC East.
The Washington Senators Texas Rangers beat the Yankees to get to the World Series.
The Baylor Bears made the Top 25 this season.

The evidence builds.

Can a Texas Christian University Horned Frogs' appearance in the BCS Championship Bowl be far behind?

[dlippiel]

WTF happened to Del Val yesterday The East is ****ed...

[skunks_sidekick]

HA HA HA!  Bravo gentleman!   

What will be REALLY crazy is if this is the year that Mount loses in the regional final.  It could happen.....although I think with CSIII back for Mount it doesn't seem likely.

[usee]

As Keith said on the playoff blog, politics doesn't have anything to do with it. Pat and Gordon have Rowan in and Montclair out and they don't have any political motives. The fact is that different groups of people can come up with different conclusions while evaluating the exact same data.

As I have said before, criteria and common sense don't always mix with the NCAA.

[DanPadavona]

Again if Rowan is in and Montclair is out, this will be a big black for the NCAA

errr....A big black what?  Awkward!