East Region Playoff Discussion

[Pat Coleman]

This year it swung the other way but living in UMAC country, I can tell you from experience that the best team in that league is not better than the good Curry teams were.

[union89]

Congrats goes to Cortland.  Cach Mac is putting one heck of a program together. 

I agree.  Have you seen some of the freshmen and sophomores on CState?  It's unreal.  This is not nearly our best team, the best is yet to come.

Was at the EC Cortland game. 4 or 5 of the NEFC teams could have won that game. At a neutral sight with neutral refs there would be a different out come. The overweight "U" seemed to always be in the way, and the older man "H" missed at least 3 big calls that he later apologized to the EC coaching staff for missing.

The daunting defense feasted on bottom feeders like 0-10 WConn., not impressed.

.......Dude.......

[Mr. Ypsi]

The overweight "U" seemed to always be in the way, and the older man "H" missed at least 3 big calls that he later apologized to the EC coaching staff for missing.

I'm going to call BS on this one.  I was walking out of the stadium and stood long enough to watch the teams shake hands, including the EC coaches which joined the back of the line.  Never once saw the "H" grovel to the EC coaching staff for missing calls.  Not that one would ever do so.  You ever see a baseball umpire admit his strike zone was wrong?

Honestly I can't think of one controversial call in the entire game.  The Cortland stands never erupted at the officials, and neither did the Endicott fans. 

I was impressed with Endicott for competing and keeping the game exciting.  The QB was very good, the OL did a fine job protecting him.  And I thought there was some good speed on defense.  99 looked like a stud DL to me.  It's really a shame there are fans like David out there who are incapable of doing what the Endicott players and coaches did after 60 minutes - shake hands and say "good game" and "good luck in the next round."

No, but in one of the classiest acts of 2010, Jim Joyce was absolutely inconsolable while admitting he blew it on Armando Galarraga's 'perfect' game.  Class does pay: in the next game Joyce umpired in Detroit, he was extremely nervous - he got a standing ovation.

Oh, now, the UMAC and the NATHC probably belong on that list.

I'll give you the NATHC.  But no way on the UMAC.  Greenville didn't embarrass itself against Augustana and Albion, and came within 10 points of Millikin.  I'd eat my hat if Framingham came within 21 points of Augustana.

What's all this hatin' on the NathCon.  Just because their champion lost to North Park by 11 (the same NPU with a 67(?) game losing streak in the CCIW ) ...

[david1959]

What is it with the NEFC?  DP remembers 2 years ago some Plymouth State fan claiming that Cortland was "lucky" to beat them, even though the score was 31-14.  Same poster swore we had no chance against Curry, which we then beat 42-0.  

Just some quick factoids for the delirious:

The same SUNY Maritime which lost 60-0 to Alfred, beat 4-3 NEFC "power" Mass Maritime this season
Another better than average NEFC team, 4-3 Westfield State, lost 34-0 to Montclair
The NEFC is now 2-13 all-time in NCAA Playoff Competition.  The NJAC is 23-14.  Yes, that means the NEFC would need to win 21 of its next 22 NCAA playoff games just to equal the NJAC's record.

There is no NEFC team capable of beating any of the top 5 teams in the NJAC in 2010.  Not one.  Framingham would rank somewhere between 6th and 9th in the NJAC.  So while I respect your right to compete as a Pool A selection, and I appreciate your enthusiasm, you are absolutely delirious if you think your NEFC conference champion could win any other conference in D3 other than the ECFC.  I know that sounds harsh, but it's blatantly obvious to every other fan in D3 outside the NEFC.

I think you're refering to Maine Maritime. Don't sell the NEFC short, there were some quality teams in that league, like WNEC, Maine Maritime, Framingham St, and Curry, never said they would win other conferences. I'm pretty sure Endicott drove 7 hours on the bus each way for that game. They represented their conference well in a well played game by both teams. Move on, you have a big game this week against another quality opponent.

[Yanks 99]

What is it with the NEFC?  DP remembers 2 years ago some Plymouth State fan claiming that Cortland was "lucky" to beat them, even though the score was 31-14.  Same poster swore we had no chance against Curry, which we then beat 42-0.  

Just some quick factoids for the delirious:

The same SUNY Maritime which lost 60-0 to Alfred, beat 4-3 NEFC "power" Mass Maritime this season
Another better than average NEFC team, 4-3 Westfield State, lost 34-0 to Montclair
The NEFC is now 2-13 all-time in NCAA Playoff Competition.  The NJAC is 23-14.  Yes, that means the NEFC would need to win 21 of its next 22 NCAA playoff games just to equal the NJAC's record.

There is no NEFC team capable of beating any of the top 5 teams in the NJAC in 2010.  Not one.  Framingham would rank somewhere between 6th and 9th in the NJAC.  So while I respect your right to compete as a Pool A selection, and I appreciate your enthusiasm, you are absolutely delirious if you think your NEFC conference champion could win any other conference in D3 other than the ECFC.  I know that sounds harsh, but it's blatantly obvious to every other fan in D3 outside the NEFC.

I think you're refering to Maine Maritime. Don't sell the NEFC short, there were some quality teams in that league, like WNEC, Maine Maritime, Framingham St, and Curry, never said they would win other conferences. I'm pretty sure Endicott drove 7 hours on the bus each way for that game. They represented their conference well in a well played game by both teams. Move on, you have a big game this week against another quality opponent.

Sorry man...you are way off base here.  If it wasn't for the ECFC, the NEFC would be far and away the absolute worst conference in the East Region.  What about the NEFC are we supposed to be impressed about?  Their 2-13 all-time record in the NCAA's?  Or the fact that it is made up 16 teams that decide to do nothing but play against each other in league play or in cross over games, beat up on the ECFC, and only rarely venture out to play the other strong conferences to the tune of 3 other games all year long before the playoffs where you lost all 3 games (Westfield State lost to Montclair, Endicott lost to RPI, and Salve Regina lost to Hartwick)?

We got it...you are a fan of the NEFC...and good for you on that.  Just don't come thumping your chest on here looking for some sort of respect when in reality your league plays almost as many non-conference games as the NESCAC (if we don't include cross over games here).

[Doid23]

On a related sidenote, you've got to give it up for david1959, -13K in only 3 posts! I've only been around here for a few years, but that has to be near a high score (iamhuge may have been close). Usually, that would mean that he is just a troll looking to stir some things up. But I think he believes what he is saying.

[RedDragonFan]

What is it with the NEFC?  DP remembers 2 years ago some Plymouth State fan claiming that Cortland was "lucky" to beat them, even though the score was 31-14.  Same poster swore we had no chance against Curry, which we then beat 42-0.  

Just some quick factoids for the delirious:

The same SUNY Maritime which lost 60-0 to Alfred, beat 4-3 NEFC "power" Mass Maritime this season
Another better than average NEFC team, 4-3 Westfield State, lost 34-0 to Montclair
The NEFC is now 2-13 all-time in NCAA Playoff Competition.  The NJAC is 23-14.  Yes, that means the NEFC would need to win 21 of its next 22 NCAA playoff games just to equal the NJAC's record.

There is no NEFC team capable of beating any of the top 5 teams in the NJAC in 2010.  Not one.  Framingham would rank somewhere between 6th and 9th in the NJAC.  So while I respect your right to compete as a Pool A selection, and I appreciate your enthusiasm, you are absolutely delirious if you think your NEFC conference champion could win any other conference in D3 other than the ECFC.  I know that sounds harsh, but it's blatantly obvious to every other fan in D3 outside the NEFC.

I think you're refering to Maine Maritime. Don't sell the NEFC short, there were some quality teams in that league, like WNEC, Maine Maritime, Framingham St, and Curry, never said they would win other conferences. I'm pretty sure Endicott drove 7 hours on the bus each way for that game. They represented their conference well in a well played game by both teams. Move on, you have a big game this week against another quality opponent.

My homage to Jonny Labcoat...


David showing the refs he was not a happy clown due to the calls.

[lewdogg11]

On a related sidenote, you've got to give it up for david1959, -13K in only 3 posts! I've only been around here for a few years, but that has to be near a high score (iamhuge may have been close). Usually, that would mean that he is just a troll looking to stir some things up. But I think he believes what he is saying.

I tried to -K him again this morning but apparently my 24 hours isn't up yet.  I really find it difficult to believe that this guy is serious.  He's trying to pump up the NEFC.  ONLY a Curry person has any clout to open their mouth.  I think we've pseudo-accepted Curry into the 'real' football club.  Endicott, WNEC, Framingham, then entire ECFC, etc etc.......That is more pop-warner like. 

[AUKaz00]

I had a thought over the weekend about the East's recent inability to produce a national team.  This has all been covered ad nauseum already, so I thought it might be interesting to consider what it would take for an East team to grow into that category and then assess where East teams are currently along that path.

Since winning breeds more winning, whether from additional exposure, institutional support or practice time, I think winning in the postseason is the primary criterion.  Secondary criteria are also important and I would list them in order of facilities, coaching and cost.

So, I decided to weight playoff games played for East teams over the past 5 years with each previous year's games worth less to get an idea of which clubs have the best chance of attracting those student-atheletes which provide the greatest marginal difference toward national prominence.  I've awarded 5 points per game this year, 4 for games last year, 3 in 2008 and so on.  Also, a double monkey-stompout negates any points for that game since I'm not sure that's too great a recruiting bullet-point.  And finally, I think it takes more than just losing in the first round of the playoffs every year, so the cutoff for current teams with a legitimate chance to grow into a national contender over the next 3 to 5 years needs to have more than 15 total points.

Without further ado, here is the current list (giving this weekend's points to the four remaining East teams in the playoffs, assuming none of them gets double monkey-stompedout this weekend):

Cortland 19
Del Valley 18
Montclair 18
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Alfred 14
Albright 12
St. John Fisher 10
Hobart 9
Curry 8
Endicott 5
Ithaca 5
Lycoming 3
Rowan 3
Springfield 2
Wilkes 2
Union 1

[dlippiel]

On a related sidenote, you've got to give it up for david1959, -13K in only 3 posts! I've only been around here for a few years, but that has to be near a high score (iamhuge may have been close). Usually, that would mean that he is just a troll looking to stir some things up. But I think he believes what he is saying.

I tried to -K him again this morning but apparently my 24 hours isn't up yet.  I really find it difficult to believe that this guy is serious.  He's trying to pump up the NEFC.  ONLY a Curry person has any clout to open their mouth.  I think we've pseudo-accepted Curry into the 'real' football club.  Endicott, WNEC, Framingham, then entire ECFC, etc etc.......That is more pop-warner like. 

dlip is so sorry he missed the "David" show this weekend but there is no question that his first, second, and third posts are worth a minus K. 

[dlippiel]

dlip must begin his "crow feast" this afternoon after his way off call on the Del Val Salisbury game. Maybe it's dlip's man crush on Chris Sharpe and that vaunted triple option that fogs his glasses. By the way, not that it is of any significance, but what the **** happened at Springfield Saturday? dlip is willing to bet more underclassman played in that game than any other this season, you know, those other 1500 players that the pride bring out for warm-ups that never see the field.

[Doid23]

By the way, not that it is of any significance, but what the **** happened at Springfield Saturday? dlip is willing to bet more underclassman played in that game than any other this season, you know, those other 1500 players that the pride bring out for warm-ups that never see the field.

I never put any weight on ECAC results, especially now with 4 games. Too many variables, anticlimactic and disappointing for some teams, great for others.

[Frank Rossi]

Here's just a random thought.  David believes that 4 or 5 NEFC teams could've beaten Cortland Saturday.  Interesting -- why didn't those 4 or 5 teams beat Maine Maritime or Endicott to get to the Playoff in the first place?  Much like LL watchers can't really argue about the idea that SLU was the best of the bunch in the LL this season for a variety of reasons, how can someone who must be an Endicott fan (since it would be strange if they made the trip to South/Central New York for just general NEFC fan reasons) basically make the claim that their team was only a mid-pack team in the NEFC this year -- even though they won the conference?!

In my judgment, no NEFC team could have or would have beaten Cortland this year unless Cortland suffered multiple injuries and/or other major problems during or just before the game.

David, any reason you believe your conference champion wasn't really the cream of the conference?!

[david1959]

Here's just a random thought.  David believes that 4 or 5 NEFC teams could've beaten Cortland Saturday.  Interesting -- why didn't those 4 or 5 teams beat Maine Maritime or Endicott to get to the Playoff in the first place?  Much like LL watchers can't really argue about the idea that SLU was the best of the bunch in the LL this season for a variety of reasons, how can someone who must be an Endicott fan (since it would be strange if they made the trip to South/Central New York for just general NEFC fan reasons) basically make the claim that their team was only a mid-pack team in the NEFC this year -- even though they won the conference?!

In my judgment, no NEFC team could have or would have beaten Cortland this year unless Cortland suffered multiple injuries and/or other major problems during or just before the game.

David, any reason you believe your conference champion wasn't really the cream of the conference?!

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

CS gave up 35 points to Endicott, they had 3 turnovers 2 for TDs and a blocked punt. Just think the game was closer than the Cortland faithful here believe. A few calls the other way and maybe the outcome would have been different. I thought Pitcher went over the LOS on his TD pass, I thought the "defenseless receiver call was incorrect and I thought that the first on-sides kick was recovered by EC. The CS player went in front of the 10 yard limit to field the ball which he mishandled before getting hit and that penalty really hurt.  All those calls ended with touchdowns for CS.

However CS did what they needed to do, but I bet they were suprised it was that tough of a game. I thought once the Cortland RB took himself out of the game that Endicott had a chance. They will be back next year 20 of 22 starters returninfg and now they won't be as happy to just get there. Either way, it was a fun game to watch, though I was suprised even with CS giving out free tickets there may have been more Endicott people there.

[Frank Rossi]

That's not quite what you said the first time -- so, I'll take that latest post to be a retraction of your first post.  Yet, I watched the scores all day as I had scoreboard duty on D3football.com Saturday -- and it was never closer than 14 points in the second half.  It would've taken a lot of balls bouncing in Endicott's direction to win.

And please, spare me the laws of syllogism with the four-way link between Endicott and Cortland.  RPI beat Alfred, who beat SJF.  Thus, RPI should've beaten SJF by 30.  Oh, wait, it was SJF by 43.