East Region Playoff Discussion

[Frank Rossi]

TGP -

If Montclair finishes at 10-0, they will likely be the #1 seed.  Remember, the Chairwoman of the Selection Committee is the Athletics Director of an NJAC school (Rowan).  

SLU, if they win the LL, would be a #8 seed -- no doubts on that one.  Just because a team comes from Pool C doesn't mean they are a lesser team in seeding.  Seeding is done as a second procedure after selection.  SJFC would be toward a #4/#5 seed (obviously behind Alfred if they remain at those loss numbers of 1).  

Overall, I have two problems with your team selections.  First, SJFC and Rowan probably don't both get Pool C bids when things shake out -- the East getting two Pool C slots is going to be a challenge, especially when SoS shakes out (Rowan's remaining opponents have W/L of like 4-17 and will likely fall below SJFC).  Also, SUNY-Maritime still hasn't lost.  The assumption that Norwich wins is a bad assumption still until it happens.  

The only support I can give you related to placing MUC in the East is the idea that the geographic fit still makes sense in a lot of situations (including SLU).  However, I'll take the Committee Chair and former Committee member we've spoken to at their word that a quality 10-0 team will not be punished with the rotation of MUC into the Region's bracket.

[labart96]

So if a) MSU goes 10-0 and b) the Chairwoman sticks to her word (i.e., MUC doesn't get shipped in) and c) the east doesn't get two pool C's:

Who is your 8th team in the bracket (assuming that you have NJAC champ, MAC champ, E8 champ, SJFC/pool c, NEFC Champ, SUNY M/pool b and SLU/LL champ in "your projection")?

[dlippiel]

Please Please Please can we have a year without UMU in the East Bracket..yes dlip knows it really is not the "East" bracket even though its called the ****ing "East" bracket.

[Bombers798891]

However, I'll take the Committee Chair and former Committee member we've spoken to at their word that a quality 10-0 team will not be punished with the rotation of MUC into the Region's bracket.

I hope not...especially with the NJAC, which, unlike the E8 and LL are pretty much locked into a schedule. Granted, Westfield State isn't much for the one OOC bid, but it would really stink if we got the Boise treatment on an unbeaten team. I've been critical of the East for failing to get a 10-0 team through before and getting MUC as a punishment. But this would stink.

My question is, is Montclair really a better #1 seed that DVC? Obviously, the Top 25 poll doesn't factor in, but there's got to be a reason they're seven spots higher. Is a 10-0 Montclair really better than a 9-1 DVC?

[theoriginalupstate]

So if a) MSU goes 10-0 and b) the Chairwoman sticks to her word (i.e., MUC doesn't get shipped in) and c) the east doesn't get two pool C's:

Who is your 8th team in the bracket (assuming that you have NJAC champ, MAC champ, E8 champ, SJFC/pool c, NEFC Champ, SUNY M/pool b and SLU/LL champ in "your projection")?

Let's say Muhlenburgh wins the CC via tiebreaker over Ursinus (who would probably end up 9-1and could be in line for a Pool C) you could see either of those teams brought in....

Or you can send up a Pool C OAC team from the North Region...

Personally I would feel bad for the NJAC fans if they end up with their top teams being 10-0, 9-1, 9-1 and only getting one bid...

[lewdogg11]

So if a) MSU goes 10-0 and b) the Chairwoman sticks to her word (i.e., MUC doesn't get shipped in) and c) the east doesn't get two pool C's:

Who is your 8th team in the bracket (assuming that you have NJAC champ, MAC champ, E8 champ, SJFC/pool c, NEFC Champ, SUNY M/pool b and SLU/LL champ in "your projection")?

Let's say Muhlenburgh wins the CC via tiebreaker over Ursinus (who would probably end up 9-1and could be in line for a Pool C) you could see either of those teams brought in....

Or you can send up a Pool C OAC team from the North Region...

Personally I would feel bad for the NJAC fans if they end up with their top teams being 10-0, 9-1, 9-1 and only getting one bid...

SUNY-Maritime's opponents have a combined 17-44 record.  I just really am not sold that they are a definite Pool B by going undefeated.  There is a good chance Norwich beats them anyway which will end this nonsense, but let's be honest, St. Lawrence probably beats SUNY-M by 3-4 TDs.

[Frank Rossi]

So if a) MSU goes 10-0 and b) the Chairwoman sticks to her word (i.e., MUC doesn't get shipped in) and c) the east doesn't get two pool C's:

Who is your 8th team in the bracket (assuming that you have NJAC champ, MAC champ, E8 champ, SJFC/pool c, NEFC Champ, SUNY M/pool b and SLU/LL champ in "your projection")?

I don't need an 8th team from the East to complete a bracket.  As I always say, don't look at this process in a vacuum -- the South and/or North will likely have 9 or 10 teams, requiring a rotation of a "border team" (a team close to the East Region's borderlines for travel purposes) to alleviate oversubscription in that other bracket.  So, long story short, I currently feel that just 7 teams from the East qualify.  Last year, remember, MUC and W&J were both imported -- this is just a reminder of the flexibility the Committee has here.

[Frank Rossi]

LD -

The current Committee (granted, there was some reshuffling, but the Chair remains) has placed special emphasis on W/L record -- this was later revised by Coach Delong to the idea that if comparisons cannot be made between two teams being reviewed and W/L records are different, the better W/L record will prevail.  Can Wesley or Salisbury or CWR be directly compared to SUNY-Maritime?  Probably not -- perceptions notwithstanding.  Even if SUNY-Maritime didn't get in through Pool B, would the Committee pass over an underrated team nine times when the Norwich AD is part of the process?  Doubtful.  SUNY-Maritime is a lock at 10-0 based on what I know and have seen so far.

[lewdogg11]

LD -

The current Committee (granted, there was some reshuffling, but the Chair remains) has placed special emphasis on W/L record -- this was later revised by Coach Delong to the idea that if comparisons cannot be made between two teams being reviewed and W/L records are different, the better W/L record will prevail.  Can Wesley or Salisbury or CWR be directly compared to SUNY-Maritime?  Probably not -- perceptions notwithstanding.  Even if SUNY-Maritime didn't get in through Pool B, would the Committee pass over an underrated team nine times when the Norwich AD is part of the process?  Doubtful.  SUNY-Maritime is a lock at 10-0 based on what I know and have seen so far.

Well go Norwich then!  It would be embarrassing for them to lose 86-0 in the first round.  If SUNY-M gets in, I hope Mount Union is the 1 seed.

[Frank Rossi]

LD -

The current Committee (granted, there was some reshuffling, but the Chair remains) has placed special emphasis on W/L record -- this was later revised by Coach Delong to the idea that if comparisons cannot be made between two teams being reviewed and W/L records are different, the better W/L record will prevail.  Can Wesley or Salisbury or CWR be directly compared to SUNY-Maritime?  Probably not -- perceptions notwithstanding.  Even if SUNY-Maritime didn't get in through Pool B, would the Committee pass over an underrated team nine times when the Norwich AD is part of the process?  Doubtful.  SUNY-Maritime is a lock at 10-0 based on what I know and have seen so far.

Well go Norwich then!  It would be embarrassing for them to lose 86-0 in the first round.  If SUNY-M gets in, I hope Mount Union is the 1 seed.

Why?  SUNY-Maritime probably would be no worse than a 3-seed and wouldn't face MUC until the 3rd Round.  Regional Rankings later this week will likely shed light on this question, though.

[Frank Rossi]

Here's my prediction of how the East Region Rankings will look when they get released this week:

1) Montclair State
2) Delaware Valley
3) SUNY-Maritime
4) Alfred
5) Rowan
6) St. John Fisher
7) Western New England
8) Norwich
9) Cortland State
10) Maine Maritime

[clandfan]

Interesting how all are annointing MSU as NJAC champ.  Perhaps it is wishful thinking as the only hope to keep MUC out of the east.  Methiinks, however, that Cortland could spoil that party.

What happens with a three-way NJAC tie?  Contrary to JT on the NJAC board, I have heard that there is NO fresh blood clause.  That being said, nobody knows the tie-breakers.

In this scenario, NJAC has three 9-1 teams.  MY guess is MUC comes East and NJAC only gets their champ in.

[theoriginalupstate]

Interesting how all are annointing MSU as NJAC champ.  Perhaps it is wishful thinking as the only hope to keep MUC out of the east.  Methiinks, however, that Cortland could spoil that party.

What happens with a three-way NJAC tie?  Contrary to JT on the NJAC board, I have heard that there is NO fresh blood clause.  That being said, nobody knows the tie-breakers.

In this scenario, NJAC has three 9-1 teams.  MY guess is MUC comes East and NJAC only gets their champ in.

You could put me into the "hope MSU goes 10-0 to keep UMU out of the East" category...

It's not a slight to Cortland in any way, just hoping to delay the inevitable as long as possible...

[theoriginalupstate]

So if a) MSU goes 10-0 and b) the Chairwoman sticks to her word (i.e., MUC doesn't get shipped in) and c) the east doesn't get two pool C's:

Who is your 8th team in the bracket (assuming that you have NJAC champ, MAC champ, E8 champ, SJFC/pool c, NEFC Champ, SUNY M/pool b and SLU/LL champ in "your projection")?

Let's say Muhlenburgh wins the CC via tiebreaker over Ursinus (who would probably end up 9-1and could be in line for a Pool C) you could see either of those teams brought in....

Or you can send up a Pool C OAC team from the North Region...

Personally I would feel bad for the NJAC fans if they end up with their top teams being 10-0, 9-1, 9-1 and only getting one bid...

SUNY-Maritime's opponents have a combined 17-44 record.  I just really am not sold that they are a definite Pool B by going undefeated.  There is a good chance Norwich beats them anyway which will end this nonsense, but let's be honest, St. Lawrence probably beats SUNY-M by 3-4 TDs.

Yeah I'm not saying I agree with SUNY-M getting in at 10-0, but it's the NCAA we're dealing with.  They have 3 pool B bids to give out and someone has to get it...

[Frank Rossi]

Interesting how all are annointing MSU as NJAC champ.  Perhaps it is wishful thinking as the only hope to keep MUC out of the east.  Methiinks, however, that Cortland could spoil that party.

What happens with a three-way NJAC tie?  Contrary to JT on the NJAC board, I have heard that there is NO fresh blood clause.  That being said, nobody knows the tie-breakers.

In this scenario, NJAC has three 9-1 teams.  MY guess is MUC comes East and NJAC only gets their champ in.

Nobody is discounting that scenario.  What we're doing is assuming all teams win out at this point (or better stated, the season stops today and the Committee meets).  It's not the Committee's job to predict game results -- nor is it ours when we "play" Committee members for a day here.  This isn't the board for hurt egos and the such -- this is more for educated guesses as to where things stand right now.