East Region Playoff Discussion

[DanPadavona]

This is just a gut feeling but I believe there are going to be two 9-1 teams in the east that are going to be very unhappy come selection day...

I think SJF and the NJAC runner-up might get the short end of the stick...

This.

Although I think SJF has a better chance than the NJAC runner-up if they beat Springfield.  The NJAC runner-up needs a few out of region 1-loss teams to lose in the last 2 weeks.

[Pat Coleman]

"The North has MUC so that region is tougher", then someone brings up the John Carrol run as evidence.  Even though they probably should have lost to Hobart and Brockport...

But they didn't, despite being on the road, with a greatly hobbled quarterback. And they were the last seed in the bracket to boot.

[theoriginalupstate]

"The North has MUC so that region is tougher", then someone brings up the John Carrol run as evidence.  Even though they probably should have lost to Hobart and Brockport...

But they didn't, despite being on the road, with a greatly hobbled quarterback. And they were the last seed in the bracket to boot.

They beat a Brockport team that was starting their 3rd string QB in Overtime...

Big accomplishment...

[Pat Coleman]

These are your East Region playoff teams. You speak so highly of them.

[pg04]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore.  I've said on another board that if they moved in a 2nd place OAC team they could very well win the region.  However, I think if people are going to use this argument to say the east is weak it needs to happen again... So ship another OAC pool C team in.  See what happens

[theoriginalupstate]

These are your East Region playoff teams. You speak so highly of them.

I'd like to see any team win a playoff game w/ their 3rd string QB...

The fact that you give JC credit for having to beat one in OT is just sad...

If the North was so powerful they should have walked all over Brockport and their 3rd string QB...

[theoriginalupstate]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore. 

Tell that to the Guru...

[labart96]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore. 

I agree.  Using an example from 8 years ago doesn't seem relevant in this discussion at all.

BTW - the Hobart PR on that game listed JCU as the "11th ranked" (I assume in the nation, which was well higher than anything Hobart had been at the time) but my guess is that was a Lambert or AFCA poll number if they came in as a 7th seed.

Regardless, it was 8 years ago....(i.e., not relevant)

[Jonny Utah]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore. 

I agree.  Using an example from 8 years ago doesn't seem relevant in this discussion at all.

BTW - the Hobart PR on that game listed JCU as the "11th ranked" (I assume in the nation, which was well higher than anything Hobart had been at the time) but my guess is that was a Lambert or AFCA poll number if they came in as a 7th seed.

Regardless, it was 8 years ago....(i.e., not relevant)

I disagree.  I think Ithaca has the national championship experience to make a run this year.

[union89]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore. 

I agree.  Using an example from 8 years ago doesn't seem relevant in this discussion at all.

BTW - the Hobart PR on that game listed JCU as the "11th ranked" (I assume in the nation, which was well higher than anything Hobart had been at the time) but my guess is that was a Lambert or AFCA poll number if they came in as a 7th seed.

Regardless, it was 8 years ago....(i.e., not relevant)

I disagree.  I think Ithaca has the national championship experience to make a run this year.

Utah, I would agree....this years version of the Union Dutchmen has a shot as well.

[usee]

Well, as has been mentioned, if you want the perception (valid or not) of JCU's east winning ways to go away, you need to replace them with a team that wins. Before JCU won the east the majority perception of the east was that it was strong. That was on the back of Rowan's victory at Mt Union back in 1999. So get another win over another region's top seed and you will get your perception changed. Heck, have one of your teams shipped out to another region and make a run and it will change. Mt Union won a national title with a freshman 3rd string RB named Nate Kmic if I recall. But that's just a lowly running back.

[Frank Rossi]

I don't think we can use 2002 as a sample anymore.  I've said on another board that if they moved in a 2nd place OAC team they could very well win the region.  However, I think if people are going to use this argument to say the east is weak it needs to happen again... So ship another OAC pool C team in.  See what happens

When Keith asked me how I would bracket and seed as an alternative to UMU at the top of the East, my suggestion, assuming two Pool C teams in the East, would be the LL champ to the North to face UMU in Round 1 and Case Western Reserve into the lower half of the East.  This would even out the loss columns in all four brackets.

[theoriginalupstate]

Well, as has been mentioned, if you want the perception (valid or not) of JCU's east winning ways to go away, you need to replace them with a team that wins. Before JCU won the east the majority perception of the east was that it was strong. That was on the back of Rowan's victory at Mt Union back in 1999. So get another win over another region's top seed and you will get your perception changed. Heck, have one of your teams shipped out to another region and make a run and it will change. Mt Union won a national title with a freshman 3rd string RB named Nate Kmic if I recall. But that's just a lowly running back.

The fact that you try to relate losing a QB to losing a RB shows just how far you have your head shoved up your ass...

[pg04]

And the fact that, you know, they're Mount Union.  And as it turned out, that running back was pretty good.  A third string QB is likely to never play. 

[Frank Rossi]

Well, as has been mentioned, if you want the perception (valid or not) of JCU's east winning ways to go away, you need to replace them with a team that wins. Before JCU won the east the majority perception of the east was that it was strong. That was on the back of Rowan's victory at Mt Union back in 1999. So get another win over another region's top seed and you will get your perception changed. Heck, have one of your teams shipped out to another region and make a run and it will change. Mt Union won a national title with a freshman 3rd string RB named Nate Kmic if I recall. But that's just a lowly running back.

The fact that you try to relate losing a QB to losing a RB shows just how far you have your head shoved up your ass...

Wait, I thought that was my problem :-)