East Region Playoff Discussion

[Knightstalker]

I noticed one typo in ATN....Cortland Statero...

I kind of like it.  Hobartero over RPIero this weekend

Halftime entertainment by Denny Terio

[Frank Rossi]

I noticed one typo in ATN....Cortland Statero...

I kind of like it.  Hobartero over RPIero this weekend

Halftime entertainment by Denny Terio

In hi-fi stereo... Oof.

[gordonmann]

That Brockport-John Carroll game was one of the best I've ever covered.  Cool environment.  Gritty effort by two injury hobbled teams.  Great defenses.  But, for what it's worth, injury riddled No. 2 John Carroll was not significantly better than injury riddled Brockport State.  The close score and the fact that JCU needed to block a short field goal late to win bear that out.   In my mind the injuries make it hard to extrapolate much about what those teams would've been at full strength in 2002, let alone what their 2010 counterparts would do.  It would be cool to see ONU in the East this year.

[usee]

Well, as has been mentioned, if you want the perception (valid or not) of JCU's east winning ways to go away, you need to replace them with a team that wins. Before JCU won the east the majority perception of the east was that it was strong. That was on the back of Rowan's victory at Mt Union back in 1999. So get another win over another region's top seed and you will get your perception changed. Heck, have one of your teams shipped out to another region and make a run and it will change. Mt Union won a national title with a freshman 3rd string RB named Nate Kmic if I recall. But that's just a lowly running back.

The fact that you try to relate losing a QB to losing a RB shows just how far you have your head shoved up your ass...

Real intelligent and classy reply upstate.   

[theoriginalupstate]

Well, as has been mentioned, if you want the perception (valid or not) of JCU's east winning ways to go away, you need to replace them with a team that wins. Before JCU won the east the majority perception of the east was that it was strong. That was on the back of Rowan's victory at Mt Union back in 1999. So get another win over another region's top seed and you will get your perception changed. Heck, have one of your teams shipped out to another region and make a run and it will change. Mt Union won a national title with a freshman 3rd string RB named Nate Kmic if I recall. But that's just a lowly running back.

The fact that you try to relate losing a QB to losing a RB shows just how far you have your head shoved up your ass...

Real intelligent and classy reply upstate.   

Your attempt to downplay  Kmic was retarded...

[skunks_sidekick]

Upstate...dude....you always seem fairly balanced.  What has happened to you?   

I think the last 10/15/20/infinity pages of diatribe are what and where they should be.......blah blah blah on a blah blah blah board.  I love it...and embrace the process.

Until someone/anyone/please anyone from the East makes it to the Stagg.......whether it's through Mount or not....we have NOTHING to talk about.  You can analyze, deliberate, and Frank Rossi it to death (Frank you have the most intelligent blah blah blah I have EVER read...oh wait..you are a lawyer..and no doubt a good one), but to claim discrimination, please just prove you belong there.

The East should hope that Mount is the #1 seed this year, because if there EVER was a year that they MAY be vulnerable, this is the year. 

HOWEVER....the regional rankings are the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen.  I actually spent some time looking at opponents records, etc...today (it was a very slow work day).  How anyone could put Wheaton/NCC ahead of Mount, or ANYONE in the West ahead of UWW is the most ridiculous premise ever offered.

[K-Mack]

The East should hope that Mount is the #1 seed this year, because if there EVER was a year that they MAY be vulnerable, this is the year. 

Fact!

HOWEVER....the regional rankings are the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen.  I actually spent some time looking at opponents records, etc...today (it was a very slow work day).  How anyone could put Wheaton/NCC ahead of Mount, or ANYONE in the West ahead of UWW is the most ridiculous premise ever offered.

Eh, not so much. The CCIW was 22-2 out of conference this year, that's going to bounce the OOWP part of the SOS even more than OAC's 7-3 would.

I also think MUC and UWW will find their ways to the top, and opposite sides of the bracket, by the time it is released. No matter what the criteria says, I can't see the committee getting in the way of No. 6. They are going to, as they should, let the streak be broken on the field.

[usee]

Upstate- your mindless babble is getting old and tired. I didn't downplay kmic. The point is every team has injuries in the post season. Some win despite them. Kmic didnt appear on the field until the post seaoson . Shows that the best teams have depth . Sorry if that offends you. I agree w skunks.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Regional rankings are by the d3-decided criteria.  Mount Union has one less regional win and a lower SoS than NCC or Wheaton - what is surprising?  (Ultimately, they WILL be a #1 seed.)

UWW will also ultimately be a #1 seed, but with their significantly fewer regional wins I'm actually surprised that they are not #3 (behind Wartburg, as well as St. Thomas).

The regional rankings are not a 'poll' in the usual sense of that term.

[usee]

K-Mack-

I am a CCIW and I agree it is ridiculous to rank Wheaton and NCC ahead of mount. The system is flawed. The cciw played Olivet, Luther, Greenville, Alma, macmurray, etc and went 22-2. Their overall OWP and OOWP is strong because they all went 3-0 or 2-1 early. You can't honestly think that Wheaton played a tougher schedule than UWW can you?? But the SOS will tell you that.

[fisheralum91]

wow - i missed some good chat.
tomorrow holds many answers and hopefully for Fisher it is a win and an AU loss!

[HScoach]

The East should hope that Mount is the #1 seed this year, because if there EVER was a year that they MAY be vulnerable, this is the year. 

Hmmm, that sentiment sounds familiar.   Were you reading Page 179?


I find all the pissing & moaning in the East to be rather humorous.  The North dealt with for years.  Wheaton is 9-0 in the playoffs against anyone not named Mount Union.  0-6 against Mount.  Until a consistent East team reaches the level of Wheaton, I have no sympathy. 


In regards to the previous posts complaining about JCU barely winning the East back in '02,  JCU would have been a low seed in the North too, yet they went on the road 3 times and won.  If the NCAA would have taken a high seed from the North and than that team barely win the East, then you'd have a point about how strong the East is and how weak the North is.  But when a low seed from one region goes on the road and wins another region, what other conclusion is to be drawn from that?  Upsets happen and a lesser team can win a game they shouldn't if things break right, but 3 of them?

I've seen many times people pointing to SJF's 26-14 loss to Mount as being a testament of how good SJF (and the East) was, even though Kmic ran for 371 yards.  If you are going to discredit JCU's close wins because of extenuating circumstances and selectively pick out certain points to make you argument, but overlook the big picture, then I'll point to Mount hiding Micheli's passing ability as the only reason SJF was within 30 points of Mount.  LK knew the only team that could touch his Raiders was UWW in the Stagg and he wanted a trick up his sleeve and since the East posed no threat to Mount, he could simply run Kmic over and over again.   

[fisheralum91]

The East should hope that Mount is the #1 seed this year, because if there EVER was a year that they MAY be vulnerable, this is the year. 

Hmmm, that sentiment sounds familiar.   Were you reading Page 179?


I find all the pissing & moaning in the East to be rather humorous.  The North dealt with for years.  Wheaton is 9-0 in the playoffs against anyone not named Mount Union.  0-6 against Mount.  Until a consistent East team reaches the level of Wheaton, I have no sympathy. 


In regards to the previous posts complaining about JCU barely winning the East back in '02,  JCU would have been a low seed in the North too, yet they went on the road 3 times and won.  If the NCAA would have taken a high seed from the North and than that team barely win the East, then you'd have a point about how strong the East is and how weak the North is.  But when a low seed from one region goes on the road and wins another region, what other conclusion is to be drawn from that?  Upsets happen and a lesser team can win a game they shouldn't if things break right, but 3 of them?

I've seen many times people pointing to SJF's 26-14 loss to Mount as being a testament of how good SJF (and the East) was, even though Kmic ran for 371 yards.  If you are going to discredit JCU's close wins because of extenuating circumstances and selectively pick out certain points to make you argument, but overlook the big picture, then I'll point to Mount hiding Micheli's passing ability as the only reason SJF was within 30 points of Mount.  LK knew the only team that could touch his Raiders was UWW in the Stagg and he wanted a trick up his sleeve and since the East posed no threat to Mount, he could simply run Kmic over and over again.   

Coach,
You are usually level headed and even keeled on here so I wont be too abrasive- but that was probably the most arrogant thing i have ever heard you say re UMU.. Even if it were true- and I doubt that highly- it was 4 years ago- why the hell come back and post crap like that.
Honestly....
Enjoy your team. they are with out a doubt the best ive seen, but i will end my compliments there and hope that there is at least one UMU fan that thinks that your post was too much

[Yanks 99]

The East should hope that Mount is the #1 seed this year, because if there EVER was a year that they MAY be vulnerable, this is the year. 

Hmmm, that sentiment sounds familiar.   Were you reading Page 179?


I find all the pissing & moaning in the East to be rather humorous.  The North dealt with for years.  Wheaton is 9-0 in the playoffs against anyone not named Mount Union.  0-6 against Mount.  Until a consistent East team reaches the level of Wheaton, I have no sympathy. 

In regards to the previous posts complaining about JCU barely winning the East back in '02,  JCU would have been a low seed in the North too, yet they went on the road 3 times and won.  If the NCAA would have taken a high seed from the North and than that team barely win the East, then you'd have a point about how strong the East is and how weak the North is.  But when a low seed from one region goes on the road and wins another region, what other conclusion is to be drawn from that?  Upsets happen and a lesser team can win a game they shouldn't if things break right, but 3 of them?

I've seen many times people pointing to SJF's 26-14 loss to Mount as being a testament of how good SJF (and the East) was, even though Kmic ran for 371 yards.  If you are going to discredit JCU's close wins because of extenuating circumstances and selectively pick out certain points to make you argument, but overlook the big picture, then I'll point to Mount hiding Micheli's passing ability as the only reason SJF was within 30 points of Mount.  LK knew the only team that could touch his Raiders was UWW in the Stagg and he wanted a trick up his sleeve and since the East posed no threat to Mount, he could simply run Kmic over and over again.   

We have several teams on Wheaton's level in the East, my friend.  Really good, tough, consistent teams and programs that can go deep into the playoffs until they run into MUC...just like Wheaton.  Wheaton is a good team/program...no doubt.  But what makes them any more special then any of the really good teams from the East the previous 5-6 years?  What have they done to make any of us say, "Wow...that is a hell of a program, I hope we don't run into them in the playoffs."  Nothing...

Again...the North Region gets a pass simply because MUC "lives" there.

[Jonny Utah]

If JCU didn't play Mount Union in 2002, wouldn't they have been a high seed in the north?  Or exported to the east as the #1 seed?