East Region Playoff Discussion

[AUKaz00]

Well, as I see it, Del Val loses a home game due to this. 

1) MTU
2) Cortland
3) Rowan
4) SUNY-Maritime
5) Del Valley
6) Alfred
7) Endicott
8) St. Lawrence

I think Del Valley is a better team than Alfred, but what places a two-loss Del Valley over a two-loss Alfred when Alfred beat Widener and the Aggies just lost?  What a mess!

Well, the two losses for Alfred are to far worse teams.  I think that may be the difference. 

Fair enough.  As I said, I think Del Valley is better but the common opponent at least makes the equation a little more interesting.

[skunks_sidekick]

A lot of us don't agree with Frank's assessment, so don't lump us all in...

Actually....you have always been one to be succinct in your assessment regarding the East and a #1 seed.  I believe you have said win them all, and you won't have to worry about it any more.  So no, you are not a "Rossite".  

[DanPadavona]

Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking

So SUNY Maritime at 10-0 doesn't count?  It's a weak conference, but if this is all about being undefeated, then we have an undefeated team.  Who's to say they aren't as good as the other undefeated North teams besides MUC?

[union89]

Wow........I guess all of Frank's in-depth analysis is really just great conversational tidbits on an internet board.  At the end of the day.....just win the frickin' games you are supposed to win, and all the bellyaching about the poor overlooked East will go away.  Until then........sssssshhhhhhhh......

That is just weak......and now as Mount fans all we will hear from the rest of the country is how "EASY" Mount has it to the semi's.  Ugh.......

Agreed.....but no reason to be an azzclown.

But I have been reading/hearing the "East is getting screwed" arguments for at least the last four years.  Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking, and the SJF's, Del Val's, Alfred's, NJAC teams lose some game they have no business losing.  At the end of the day, THAT is why a team (Mount) gets moved to the East. 

I think the same as you and have since the 1st time Mount was imported.....there is a better way to present thoughts is my point.

Coach and some of the other Mount supporters state similar feelings to yours, but in a succinct manner.

You must be a PurpleSuit.

[pg04]

Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking

So SUNY Maritime at 10-0 doesn't count?  It's a weak conference, but if this is all about being undefeated, then we have an undefeated team.  Who's to say they aren't as good as the other undefeated North teams besides MUC?

Hopefully you can see the enormous fallacies in that argument. 

[skunks_sidekick]

Wow........I guess all of Frank's in-depth analysis is really just great conversational tidbits on an internet board.  At the end of the day.....just win the frickin' games you are supposed to win, and all the bellyaching about the poor overlooked East will go away.  Until then........sssssshhhhhhhh......

That is just weak......and now as Mount fans all we will hear from the rest of the country is how "EASY" Mount has it to the semi's.  Ugh.......

Agreed.....but no reason to be an azzclown.

But I have been reading/hearing the "East is getting screwed" arguments for at least the last four years.  Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking, and the SJF's, Del Val's, Alfred's, NJAC teams lose some game they have no business losing.  At the end of the day, THAT is why a team (Mount) gets moved to the East. 

I think the same as you and have since the 1st time Mount was imported.....there is a better way to present thoughts is my point.

Coach and some of the other Mount supporters state similar feelings to yours, but in a succinct manner.

You must be a PurpleSuit.

No purple suit here.....although I did have a mauve "Saturday Night Fever" suit when I was in high school.  It was totally cool.....

As to SUNY Maritime.....sure.....anything is POSSIBLE.

[DanPadavona]

I'm not convinced PG.  In the case of the NEFC, we had a track record of under performance in the NCAA playoffs to go on.  You don't give much respect to their champions because they tend to get clobbered in the playoffs.  Maritime and the ECFC have never been in this position, so we have no idea how good they are or aren't.

Here's my argument.  If a MAC team or NJAC/E8 team went undefeated, we'd claim them to be a bonafide #1, correct?  And would you be shocked if Maritime beat a MAC/NJAC/E8 team next week?  I wouldn't.  We just don't know how good they are.

No I don't believe that Maritime is the best team in our region.  But I have no proof that they aren't.

[pg04]

I'm not convinced PG.  In the case of the NEFC, we had a track record of under performance in the NCAA playoffs to go on.  You don't give much respect to their champions because they tend to get clobbered in the playoffs.  Maritime and the ECFC have never been in this position, so we have no idea how good they are or aren't.

Here's my argument.  If a MAC team or NJAC/E8 team went undefeated, we'd claim them to be a bonafide #1, correct?  And would you be shocked if Maritime beat a MAC/NJAC/E8 team next week?  I wouldn't.  We just don't know how good they are.

No way.  I think they'll get crushed.  Look at their scores throughout the season.  Barely beating teams most people haven't even heard of.  No way they deserve to be considered a top seed. 

[Pat Coleman]

Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking

So SUNY Maritime at 10-0 doesn't count?  It's a weak conference, but if this is all about being undefeated, then we have an undefeated team.  Who's to say they aren't as good as the other undefeated North teams besides MUC?

Dan, what does your computer formula tell you about SUNY-Maritime?

[Frank Rossi]

Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking

So SUNY Maritime at 10-0 doesn't count?  It's a weak conference, but if this is all about being undefeated, then we have an undefeated team.  Who's to say they aren't as good as the other undefeated North teams besides MUC?

Dan, what does your computer formula tell you about SUNY-Maritime?

Probably that they're hosting next weekend.

[Pat Coleman]

Dan used to do a power ranking. I was suggesting he consult that to find out how good SUNY-Maritime might be.

[DanPadavona]

I didn't run it this season Pat.  Too Lazy.     And I need to code a new routine to ingest the scores since the D3 score pages have been re-done.

Some Maritime scores look pretty good.  For instance they throttled Norwich 20-2, and Norwich beat the Larries 25-14 prior to St Lawrence capturing the LL.     So arguably one could suggest Maritime was as good as anyone in the LL in 2010.

Other scores are not so good.  41-28 over West Conn doesn't impress the top of the NJAC, which destroyed West Conn.  And if Maritime played Hobart or RPI next week, I would not pick Maritime.

I took a look at the Laz Index but the ratings look funky this season.  It still has Fisher as #14 in the country, and it ranks Norwich ahead of Maritime.  No help whatsoever!

[DanPadavona]

However...The overwhelming evidence to me is that West Conn fans have been telling Pat for years that their team is going to Salem.  And every year Pat goes to Salem and waits for West Conn to arrive. 

This season Maritime beat West Conn.  'Nuff said.   

[AUPepBand]

Every year there ends up being no undefeated teams of any ranking

So SUNY Maritime at 10-0 doesn't count?  It's a weak conference, but if this is all about being undefeated, then we have an undefeated team.  Who's to say they aren't as good as the other undefeated North teams besides MUC?

Pep and Kaz00 had a similar discussion last week at halftime of the AU-IC game. Kaz00 suggested why shouldn't SUNY-Maritime be rewarded with a high seed since, unlike Alfred, et al, they didn't "poop the bed." Pep replied that SUNY-Maritime hadn't pooped the bed because they've been sleeping on the sofa.

Delaware Valley's loss today certainly makes tomorrow's selection interesting!!

On Saxon Warriors!

[rams1102]

Well everyone did what they had to. The strenght of schedule + owp / oowp leads me to believe that Cortland will be the NJAC Champs and if so Congratulations. It appears that everyone has Rowan in as the Pool C, but to me it is pure bull. They lost the H2H by (19) to Montclair. If they get in and Montclair is out, it is nothing but NCAA politics. With the Hard-Sim loss they may be a chance for (2) slots for the East.
Feel bad for Wabash wacking DePauw, but they have (2) loses. Should be an interesting day aroune 3:00 tomorrow.