East Region Playoff Discussion

[phil]

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

CS gave up 35 points to Endicott, they had 3 turnovers 2 for TDs and a blocked punt. Just think the game was closer than the Cortland faithful here believe. A few calls the other way and maybe the outcome would have been different. I thought Pitcher went over the LOS on his TD pass, I thought the "defenseless receiver call was incorrect and I thought that the first on-sides kick was recovered by EC. The CS player went in front of the 10 yard limit to field the ball which he mishandled before getting hit and that penalty really hurt.  All those calls ended with touchdowns for CS.

David, now I'm on board. Your articulate, cogent argument for Endicott has made me see the light. Therefore, based on your explanation, I declare that The College of New Jersey is better than Mount Union!
With just a few game comparisons – it became very clear:
College of NJ    beat    Brockport St   24 - 21
Brockport St   beat    Wm Paterson   30 - 16
Wm Paterson   beat    King's PA   14 - 7
King's PA   beat    FDU Madison   45 - 14
FDU Madison   beat    Apprentice   28 - 14
Apprentice   beat    Greensboro   9 - 7
Greensboro   beat    Methodist   22 - 19
Methodist   beat    Maryville TN   17 - 14
Maryville TN   beat    LaGrange   20 - 17
LaGrange   beat    Rhodes   42 - 28
Rhodes   beat    Washington MO   14 - 10
Washington MO   beat    Case Western   14 - 13
Case Western   beat    John Carroll   30 - 13
John Carroll   beat    Baldwin-Wallace   31 - 28
Baldwin-Wallace is better than Mt Union because Baldwin-Wallace beat Marietta 39 - 9
while Mt Union only beat Marietta 28 - 14

Therefore, College of NJ is better than Mt Union in 2010.

Thanks Dave, you're an astute fellow!

[PBR...]

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

CS gave up 35 points to Endicott, they had 3 turnovers 2 for TDs and a blocked punt. Just think the game was closer than the Cortland faithful here believe. A few calls the other way and maybe the outcome would have been different. I thought Pitcher went over the LOS on his TD pass, I thought the "defenseless receiver call was incorrect and I thought that the first on-sides kick was recovered by EC. The CS player went in front of the 10 yard limit to field the ball which he mishandled before getting hit and that penalty really hurt.  All those calls ended with touchdowns for CS.

David, now I'm on board. Your articulate, cogent argument for Endicott has made me see the light. Therefore, based on your explanation, I declare that The College of New Jersey is better than Mount Union!
With just a few game comparisons – it became very clear:
College of NJ    beat    Brockport St   24 - 21
Brockport St   beat    Wm Paterson   30 - 16
Wm Paterson   beat    King's PA   14 - 7
King's PA   beat    FDU Madison   45 - 14
FDU Madison   beat    Apprentice   28 - 14
Apprentice   beat    Greensboro   9 - 7
Greensboro   beat    Methodist   22 - 19
Methodist   beat    Maryville TN   17 - 14
Maryville TN   beat    LaGrange   20 - 17
LaGrange   beat    Rhodes   42 - 28
Rhodes   beat    Washington MO   14 - 10
Washington MO   beat    Case Western   14 - 13
Case Western   beat    John Carroll   30 - 13
John Carroll   beat    Baldwin-Wallace   31 - 28
Baldwin-Wallace is better than Mt Union because Baldwin-Wallace beat Marietta 39 - 9
while Mt Union only beat Marietta 28 - 14

Therefore, College of NJ is better than Mt Union in 2010.

Thanks Dave, you're an astute fellow!

BOL!!  indeed phil....well done... +k   and end the playoffs and declare college of NJ national champion!

[union89]

To David,
In all seriousness, stay on the boards.  You should read others posts and continue to interject your own thoughts.  There aren't many NEFC posters on here....it is interesting to hear others opinions of their teams and or conferences (even though many may not agree with you).

Think about how interesting 'iamhuge' was about 15 months ago.  He was a true gem and left soon after is initial flurry, never to be heard from again.

Hell, I think the main reason 'Doid' got hooked on these boards was because of the entertainment 'iamhuge' provided him.

[union89]

I know this probably belongs on the ECAC board, but I don't think many people go over there.....

Anyone else look at the Springfield/Mt. Ida box-score?  Mt. Ida threw the ball 57 times for 373 yards......Springfield threw the ball a total of 3 times, but rushed for 358 yards....talk about teams with contrasting styles!!!

Finally, Springfield's place-kickers name is Ricky Peacock.....


HEY PRIDE!!!!

[DanPadavona]

Well done Phil, +K!  

Your reasoning holds up to classic scientific scrutiny, including Sir Bedevere's proof that a certain woman was a witch, because she weighed as much as a duck, which floats on water much like wood.  And why do we burn witches?  Because they are made of wood.

[Pat Coleman]

Here's just a random thought.  David believes that 4 or 5 NEFC teams could've beaten Cortland Saturday.  Interesting -- why didn't those 4 or 5 teams beat Maine Maritime or Endicott to get to the Playoff in the first place?  Much like LL watchers can't really argue about the idea that SLU was the best of the bunch in the LL this season for a variety of reasons, how can someone who must be an Endicott fan (since it would be strange if they made the trip to South/Central New York for just general NEFC fan reasons) basically make the claim that their team was only a mid-pack team in the NEFC this year -- even though they won the conference?!

In my judgment, no NEFC team could have or would have beaten Cortland this year unless Cortland suffered multiple injuries and/or other major problems during or just before the game.

David, any reason you believe your conference champion wasn't really the cream of the conference?!

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

RPI-Endicott. A Week 2 game. It was Endicott's second game and RPI's first. Most coaches will tell you that the biggest improvement came between the first and second game, leaving Endicott with a significant advantage.

RPI-Alfred. The wind in this game was a huge equalizer. Are you aware of the details?

Ithaca-Cortland. One of the fiercest anything-can-happen rivalries in Division III.

David: Games aren't played on paper. You certainly can't make comparisons four levels deep while remaining ignorant of the details of these games.

[lewdogg11]

Here's just a random thought.  David believes that 4 or 5 NEFC teams could've beaten Cortland Saturday.  Interesting -- why didn't those 4 or 5 teams beat Maine Maritime or Endicott to get to the Playoff in the first place?  Much like LL watchers can't really argue about the idea that SLU was the best of the bunch in the LL this season for a variety of reasons, how can someone who must be an Endicott fan (since it would be strange if they made the trip to South/Central New York for just general NEFC fan reasons) basically make the claim that their team was only a mid-pack team in the NEFC this year -- even though they won the conference?!

In my judgment, no NEFC team could have or would have beaten Cortland this year unless Cortland suffered multiple injuries and/or other major problems during or just before the game.

David, any reason you believe your conference champion wasn't really the cream of the conference?!

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

RPI-Endicott. A Week 2 game. It was Endicott's second game and RPI's first. Most coaches will tell you that the biggest improvement came between the first and second game, leaving Endicott with a significant advantage.

RPI-Alfred. The wind in this game was a huge equalizer. Are you aware of the details?

Ithaca-Cortland. One of the fiercest anything-can-happen rivalries in Division III.

David: Games aren't played on paper. You certainly can't make comparisons four levels deep while remaining ignorant of the details of these games.

UNITYYYYYYYY!

[AUKaz00]

To David,
In all seriousness, stay on the boards.  You should read others posts and continue to interject your own thoughts.  There aren't many NEFC posters on here....it is interesting to hear others opinions of their teams and or conferences (even though many may not agree with you).

Think about how interesting 'iamhuge' was about 15 months ago.  He was a true gem and left soon after is initial flurry, never to be heard from again.

Hell, I think the main reason 'Doid' got hooked on these boards was because of the entertainment 'iamhuge' provided him.

Huge is still around, but his son chose F&M so he's been on the Centennial boards.

[HScoach]

Endicott was the best team in the NEFC this year. From what I saw of Cortland on Saturday, WNEC, Curry, Framingham, Salve and Maine Maritime would have all been competitive games. The NEFC is getting tougher.

EC lost a close game to RPI, who inturn beat Alfred, who beat Ithaca who was barely beaten by Cortland.

CS gave up 35 points to Endicott, they had 3 turnovers 2 for TDs and a blocked punt. Just think the game was closer than the Cortland faithful here believe. A few calls the other way and maybe the outcome would have been different. I thought Pitcher went over the LOS on his TD pass, I thought the "defenseless receiver call was incorrect and I thought that the first on-sides kick was recovered by EC. The CS player went in front of the 10 yard limit to field the ball which he mishandled before getting hit and that penalty really hurt.  All those calls ended with touchdowns for CS.

David, now I'm on board. Your articulate, cogent argument for Endicott has made me see the light. Therefore, based on your explanation, I declare that The College of New Jersey is better than Mount Union!
With just a few game comparisons – it became very clear:
College of NJ    beat    Brockport St   24 - 21
Brockport St   beat    Wm Paterson   30 - 16
Wm Paterson   beat    King's PA   14 - 7
King's PA   beat    FDU Madison   45 - 14
FDU Madison   beat    Apprentice   28 - 14
Apprentice   beat    Greensboro   9 - 7
Greensboro   beat    Methodist   22 - 19
Methodist   beat    Maryville TN   17 - 14
Maryville TN   beat    LaGrange   20 - 17
LaGrange   beat    Rhodes   42 - 28
Rhodes   beat    Washington MO   14 - 10
Washington MO   beat    Case Western   14 - 13
Case Western   beat    John Carroll   30 - 13
John Carroll   beat    Baldwin-Wallace   31 - 28
Baldwin-Wallace is better than Mt Union because Baldwin-Wallace beat Marietta 39 - 9
while Mt Union only beat Marietta 28 - 14

Therefore, College of NJ is better than Mt Union in 2010.

Thanks Dave, you're an astute fellow!

Well done!  +k

Well done Phil, +K! 

Your reasoning holds up to classic scientific scrutiny, including Sir Bedevere's proof that a certain woman was a witch, because she weighed as much as a duck, which floats on water much like wood.  And why do we burn witches?  Because they are made of wood.

Doubly well done.  You also get +k for quoting the best movie ever made.

[Doid23]

To David,
In all seriousness, stay on the boards.  You should read others posts and continue to interject your own thoughts.  There aren't many NEFC posters on here....it is interesting to hear others opinions of their teams and or conferences (even though many may not agree with you).

Think about how interesting 'iamhuge' was about 15 months ago.  He was a true gem and left soon after is initial flurry, never to be heard from again.

Hell, I think the main reason 'Doid' got hooked on these boards was because of the entertainment 'iamhuge' provided him.

How seriously can I can't take someone once dubbed "Conrad Dobler" now getting all Rodney King on us? Especially after you posted iamhuge jr's mug shot on the LL board.

And, yes, I loved iamhuge, for he was the greatest poster of all time. So don't tarnish his greatness by comparing david1959 to him, he's not even in the same galaxy (although he is making -k history every time he posts). iamhuge was a superstar!

[Jonny Utah]

Can anyone get some clips of these "calls" that went Cortlands way?  I'd love to see them.

[lewdogg11]

NostraLD's 2nd Round Predictions:

UWW - 38
Trine - 21

Mount Union - 38
Delaware Valley - 24

Wesley - 21
Montclair St. - 6

St. Thomas - 42
Linfield - 35

North Central - 28
Ohio Northern - 24

Thomas More - 21
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 17

Wheaton - 31
Bethel - 21

Cortland St. - 42
Alfred - 38

Thanksgiving Day

Lowell - 35
Haverhill - 6

[Frank Rossi]

NostraLD's 2nd Round Predictions:

UWW - 38
Trine - 21

Mount Union - 38
Delaware Valley - 24

Wesley - 21
Montclair St. - 6

Boy, LD, you have those three games pretty close.  Why so conservative with the heavy favorites?

[lewdogg11]

NostraLD's 2nd Round Predictions:

UWW - 38
Trine - 21

Mount Union - 38
Delaware Valley - 24

Wesley - 21
Montclair St. - 6

Boy, LD, you have those three games pretty close.  Why so conservative with the heavy favorites?

Well, UWW scored 21 in the 4th last week to make the score look lopsided, but 21-14 at the half and 31-21 going into the 4th wasn't overly impressive in that matchup, and Trine actually impressed me a bit with their big early lead.

I think/hope Delaware Valley can atleast give Mount a tough game.  I'm not as down on DVC as a lot are just because of the Widener game.  To me, it would be the same as if Ithaca had beaten Cortland.  It just wouldn't have really mattered to me all that much.  

Lastly, I don't look at my Montclair/Wesley prediction as being that close.  I think Montclair has a very strong defense that will be stingy, but Wesley will be in control the entire game.

[dlippiel]

Mount Union - 38
Delaware Valley - 24

dlip really doesn't know what to make of this game. Del Val shut dlip up last week and are really, in dlip's opinion, the East's only hope against MUC. dlip thinks this is a solid prediciton by lew and hopes the score will be even closer and even flipped with the Aggies coming out on top. That would be ****ing fantastic!!