East Region Playoff Discussion

[pg04]

I also have to say that I feel queasy with everyone calling the games versus NEFC and ECFC "byes" I am aware of their atrocious past performance but I think it's dangerous to count out these teams before the game even begins.

[lewdogg11]

I also have to say that I feel queasy with everyone calling the games versus NEFC and ECFC "byes" I am aware of their atrocious past performance but I think it's dangerous to count out these teams before the game even begins.

Mail it in.  The only team that potentially blow themselves is Cortland.

[pg04]

There is a (small) portion of my mind that wants one of the NEFC teams to win.

[AUKaz00]

There is a (small) portion of my mind that wants one of the NEFC teams to win.

I'd rather see the ECFC get their first playoff win.

[pg04]

There is a (small) portion of my mind that wants one of the NEFC teams to win.

I'd rather see the ECFC get their first playoff win.

That sounds even better. Maybe I should root for that instead.

[pg04]

There is a (small) portion of my mind that wants one of the NEFC teams to win.

I'd rather see the ECFC get their first playoff win.

That sounds even better. Maybe I should root for that instead.

Plus if Mount Ida won they'd eliminate a southern team not an eastern team so that's an added bonus. Yes, I like that (wakes up from dream).

[Knightstalker]

Pat, am I right about the D1 and D2 schools that don't offer scholorships?

And I agree with the poster that why not take the NESCAC model and compete local if they don't venture out.  I wish they would all do what Salve is doing and try.  It's why I liked Chesney.....

The Patriot League does now give football and basketball scholarships.  Some of the schools may not, but the league allows scholarships and has for a few years now.

[Knightstalker]

'Framingham has played one non-NEFC team in 11 seasons, and that was against Norwich of the ECFC. It could be a shock to see how the rest of Division III plays football.'

How about some credit on the quote?  :-)

Sorry -- we were both working independently. I'm pretty in tune with the N/ECFC firewall from my previous takes on the subject, right?

No, i'm pretty sure you just scour the boards and plagiarize my stuff.  :-)

Lew, I think President Obama' speech writers scour the board and plagiarize your stuff.

[lewdogg11]

'Framingham has played one non-NEFC team in 11 seasons, and that was against Norwich of the ECFC. It could be a shock to see how the rest of Division III plays football.'

How about some credit on the quote?  :-)

Sorry -- we were both working independently. I'm pretty in tune with the N/ECFC firewall from my previous takes on the subject, right?

No, i'm pretty sure you just scour the boards and plagiarize my stuff.  :-)

Lew, I think President Obama' speech writers scour the board and plagiarize your stuff.

Being a scholar of mathematics and science, I determined that it was a mathematical certainty that my literature would be used far and wide  and above and beyond the realm of d3football.com. 

[pg04]

Pat, am I right about the D1 and D2 schools that don't offer scholorships?

And I agree with the poster that why not take the NESCAC model and compete local if they don't venture out.  I wish they would all do what Salve is doing and try.  It's why I liked Chesney.....

The Patriot League does now give football and basketball scholarships.  Some of the schools may not, but the league allows scholarships and has for a few years now.

There was a pretty extensive discussion of Division IV possibilities quite a while back and now I can't for the life of me find any of them. Now I'm too frustrated to look or search anymore.

[Pat Coleman]

It's science.

[Pat Coleman]

Long discussion of Division III future. This link drops us in in November 2010.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3880.1860

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Pat, am I right about the D1 and D2 schools that don't offer scholorships?

And I agree with the poster that why not take the NESCAC model and compete local if they don't venture out.  I wish they would all do what Salve is doing and try.  It's why I liked Chesney.....

The Patriot League does now give football and basketball scholarships.  Some of the schools may not, but the league allows scholarships and has for a few years now.

Having called games in the Patriot League for football up until this season, they have not allowed scholarships in football until now. In 2010, Fordham decided they would start giving scholarships in football which ended up meaning they could not participate for a conference title and thus games against them didn't count in the conference standings. It was long thought that Fordham might have to leave the conference, but in February the conference decided to start allowing scholarships in football starting next season. However, Georgetown has decided not to give scholarships out.

Basketball on the other hand did start allowing scholarships in 2006.

Also, remember that scholarships also can be split up amongst student-athletes in Division I and II except in football and maybe basketball (help?). I also don't know a D2 or D1 school that doesn't offer scholarships for the most part except the Ivy's and the occasional school with an occasional sport (i.e. Georgetown). Though... I could be wrong .

And to further Pat's point... hockey, soccer, lacrosse, there are a number of sports where two programs at a D3 school are competing at the D1 level. Usually it is the same sport (i.e. men's and women's), but Hartwick for example decided to go with women's water polo to complement their men's program. While the D3's were grandfathered into the ban of multiple-divisions... they were also forced to add a women's or men's sport to the D1 program that they had (i.e. Johns Hopkins lacrosse had to bring their women's team up to D1).

[Pat Coleman]

I am pretty sure you can split a D-II scholarship in any sport. But it's not my area of expertise.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I am pretty sure you can split a D-II scholarship in any sport. But it's not my area of expertise.

I should have said you an split the scholarships in D1 and D2 in all sports except D1 football and maybe basketball. Yes, you can split the scholarships in D2 since they have about half as many scholarships in each sport compared to D1.

Basically, student-athletes who don't play football or basketball in D1 or D2 don't necessarily get full-rides. In fact, except for the rare athlete, they don't... which is why some D3 students turn down the scholarship offers because their academics provide them better scholarship opportunities at a D3 school - where they can still play sports at maybe the same level of competition.