East Region Playoff Discussion

[ExTartanPlayer]

The E8, LL, and NJAC teams have to agree to play NEFC teams too. It's not just a one way street, as everyone seems to be making it. Why don't these teams go out of their way to schedule the NEFC? Help the OOC and play an easier team. Seems like a slam dunk doesn't it?

Yeah, just like the SEC should bang on the door of the MAC to beg for match-ups? It doesn't work that way and shouldn't work that way. dlip would be SHOCKED if he found out that the door is being slammed on the other 14 NEFC teams by E8, NJAC, LL, and MAC schools every year when it comes to scheduling. If that is/were the case then shame on any of those schools that wouldn't play an NEFC team.

Actually, yeah, Division I teams pay FCS schools and MAC schools to play them every year.

[dlippiel]

You are exactly right pg04 that it would benefit all involved to play each other. Honestly if dlip was a HC of an ER team, looking at what the comittee has been doing, he would try to play three OOC games against what would at least appear to be lesser opponents. Maybe two against NEFC teams and one against ECFC teams or whatever mix.

[wesleydad]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

[Mr. Ypsi]

You are exactly right pg04 that it would benefit all involved to play each other. Honestly if dlip was a HC of an ER team, looking at what the comittee has been doing, he would try to play three OOC games against what would at least appear to be lesser opponents. Maybe two against NEFC teams and one against ECFC teams or whatever mix.

Many schools have long scheduled this way, especially in basketball - schedule top teams from weak conferences.  Unless you misjudged, you get a nice SoS boost and, presumably, a win.

[pg04]

You are exactly right pg04 that it would benefit all involved to play each other. Honestly if dlip was a HC of an ER team, looking at what the comittee has been doing, he would try to play three OOC games against what would at least appear to be lesser opponents. Maybe two against NEFC teams and one against ECFC teams or whatever mix.

Many schools have long scheduled this way, especially in basketball - schedule top teams from weak conferences.  Unless you misjudged, you get a nice SoS boost and, presumably, a win.

It seems like this would be the best way to eliminate at large bids from "bad" conferences. Unless of course the team from the weak conference actually wins. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

You are exactly right pg04 that it would benefit all involved to play each other. Honestly if dlip was a HC of an ER team, looking at what the comittee has been doing, he would try to play three OOC games against what would at least appear to be lesser opponents. Maybe two against NEFC teams and one against ECFC teams or whatever mix.

Many schools have long scheduled this way, especially in basketball - schedule top teams from weak conferences.  Unless you misjudged, you get a nice SoS boost and, presumably, a win.

It seems like this would be the best way to eliminate at large bids from "bad" conferences. Unless of course the team from the weak conference actually wins. 

That couldn't possibly happen! No way any team that will finish in the top half of any ither Eastern conference will lose to any NEFC team! 

Wait...what's that? The second AND third place LL teams lost to NEFC teams this year? Two different ones?  Well, it's a good thing they don't play any Empire 8 teams. The sixth-best Empire 8 team would surely beat all of them.

Wait...what's that? One of those Liberty League teams beat the Empire 8 runner up this year? One of the teams that lost to the NEFC? Well surely they must have lost to the NEFC champion, right? Oh...wait...they lost to an NEFC team that didn't even play for the conference title?

Whatever, dude. I see what I see.

[ExTartanPlayer]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad, I think the Widener-Salisbury matchup is one of the most intriguing. I like Widener, but I could see this going either way. Salisbury offense is tough to prepare for if you're not used to it.

I'm trying to recall - are you a longtime Wesley poster or a more recent addition? I was part of a CMU team that got steamrolled by Wesley in the second round of the 2006 playoffs, and while the game was obviously somewhat unpleasant, I still found the Wesley game day experience pretty cool. Great fans, good stadium as far as D3 venues go, and an intense atmosphere. Too bad we weren't good enough to make much of a game of it

[dlippiel]

These statements regarding the probability that both Union and Springfield would defeat both Bridgewater and Salve later in the season are not excuses, they are realistic assumptions based upon both teams improvements against "stronger" competition as the year progressed. A win is still and win and both BS and SR deserve credit for the wins but those wins are not monumental and again, were early season wins against two teams that started out very average at best and grew by leaps and bounds as the season progressed.

Now we are getting a little ridiculous. If an NEFC team stays in region and goes 10-0 or 9-1 then they don't deserve a bid because they didn't play anyone. If they schedule a team from the E8, NJAC or LL and beat them, well that doesn't mean anything either, because if they played AGAIN, the E8, NJAC or LL team would have won, we swear, they would have. Your argument is just changing to always put down the conference.

Now now, only teams from the good conferences are allowed to improve during the season. No way those NEFC teams could have gotten better too.

O.K. dlip can see we are getting testy. No need this is a good discussion. Let dlip try this. Let's look at MIT's big victory over Salve. It was a big victory and definitely was representative of their growth as a team within themselves and their conference. Yet how impressive was that win in regards to showing the overall relative strength of MIT in relation to the best of the East Region? Now let's look at Ithaca's win over Salisbury. Another big win right? A win that showed Ithaca's growth not only this season but over the past two seasons. Which win represents a stronger performance in relation to the strength of the East regions best teams? Obviously Ithaca's. This does not take away the splender of MIT's victory yet it holds more water in any discussion and/or comparison of Ithaca's strength compared to MIT's.

Well MIT can't control who they play in their conference? Correct hence the NEED for teams within the NEFC to schedule stronger teams OOC to prove that they belong. Thats it, simple.

Oh yeah you missed the point again with the SEC comparison. It was not to say that the SEC does not "want" to play MAC teams but that they don't choose to play MAC teams to gain more respect on a national level. Which is true. Auburn wouldn't schedule Buffalo to help improve it's BCS reputation.

[dlippiel]

Whatever, dude. I see what I see

Seemingly the issue here maybe for us both 

[dlippiel]

Last comment then dlip will let it go...maybe

The NEFC is as good a conference as the E8, LL, NJAC, and the MAC and is deserving of a pool C bid in regards to their relative strength in comparison to the aforementioned conferences.

True or false? ****in easy...time for a poll

[wesleydad]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad, I think the Widener-Salisbury matchup is one of the most intriguing. I like Widener, but I could see this going either way. Salisbury offense is tough to prepare for if you're not used to it.

I'm trying to recall - are you a longtime Wesley poster or a more recent addition? I was part of a CMU team that got steamrolled by Wesley in the second round of the 2006 playoffs, and while the game was obviously somewhat unpleasant, I still found the Wesley game day experience pretty cool. Great fans, good stadium as far as D3 venues go, and an intense atmosphere. Too bad we weren't good enough to make much of a game of it

etp, my son was the slot receiver in that game.  he played high school ball with your starting qb mulkern here in pa.  that was a pretty good squad you got rolled by.  wesley is a pretty nice place to play and watch a game.  the crowd does come out and they do get intense.  there only loss that year was to uww.

[pg04]

I definitely see the argument of those I'm opposing here; a record of 2-16 in the playoffs is GLARING and the most significant point made. Part of me just likes to argue (since the side of NEFC is severely underrepresented here), but I also feel that the argument I have been making is compelling.

My main contention is that unless there is more regular season competition between the NEFC and the "power" conferences (and that relies on both sides scheduling it), there are going to be NEFC teams getting at large bids.

[ExTartanPlayer]

now that we have beat this to death anyone got a thought on what could be a great match up between widener/salisbury.  i have seen both play and think this could be a wild one.  widener does not stop the run very well from what i saw against del val so they could be in trouble when the gulls have the ball, especially trying to defend the triple option.  i think salisbury is vulnerable to the pass which is what widener does pretty well so they could be in trouble when widener has the ball.  in the end i think that the gulls have a better defense and will be able to stop the pride more than the pride will be able to stop the gulls.  after hobart got moved this is the pseudo east championship and the winner gets to go to alliance, yes, i am predicting mount wins next week.

Wesleydad, I think the Widener-Salisbury matchup is one of the most intriguing. I like Widener, but I could see this going either way. Salisbury offense is tough to prepare for if you're not used to it.

I'm trying to recall - are you a longtime Wesley poster or a more recent addition? I was part of a CMU team that got steamrolled by Wesley in the second round of the 2006 playoffs, and while the game was obviously somewhat unpleasant, I still found the Wesley game day experience pretty cool. Great fans, good stadium as far as D3 venues go, and an intense atmosphere. Too bad we weren't good enough to make much of a game of it

etp, my son was the slot receiver in that game.  he played high school ball with your starting qb mulkern here in pa.  that was a pretty good squad you got rolled by.  wesley is a pretty nice place to play and watch a game.  the crowd does come out and they do get intense.  there only loss that year was to uww.

No kidding! If your son played with Mulkern you must be from close by my hometown as well - I grew up close to Reading, PA (played for Wyomissing HS). Very cool. That was indeed a good Wesley squad in 2006...hope your son is doing well!

[dlippiel]

pg04 you always bring such a sense of rationale to the board +k

[pg04]

Last comment then dlip will let it go...maybe

The NEFC is as good a conference as the E8, LL, NJAC, and the MAC and is deserving of a pool C bid in regards to their relative strength in comparison to the aforementioned conferences.

True or false? ****in easy...time for a poll

I understand your disgruntlement (is that a word?) but this question isn't really relevant, to be honest. Pool C does not and probably will not be determined by a subjective determination of conference strength.